Bulky Muscle vs. Lean Muscle ?

LAM · 06-22-2002, 03:46 PM

Westside does put out some serious PL'ers however the majority of them are heavy AS users, it's funny how that is always left out in extreme training routines...

**Mudge** · 06-22-2002, 03:50 PM

You should give your body, not just your muscles - more rest than 20 seconds. I have only known 1 person to have a serious injury, being a torn pectoral muscle. Either way, I hope you look into rest periods more seriously.

Leave 15-20 second rest periods for the aerobic people.

Good luck

epimetheus · 06-22-2002, 03:52 PM

Ahh, the old AS acusation argument.

It always seems that when I see somebody post a routine, inevitably somebody comes along and says "Yeah, its a great routine, but (insert name) uses AS" , which I am guessing is supposed to invalidate the entire routine.
Its like the whole Nazi accusation in debates, it is always brought up and it is still a logical fallacy.

I go based on how my muscles feel. Yesterday I did Deadlifts, only 225, when my Max is 309. Did 8 working sets of 1. Speed lifts I must add, and only rested about 20 seconds. I don't wear a watch, nor do I time the seconds. I go on how I feel, 20 seconds seems about right, though It might be 30 or even 40 seconds that I am resting. I don't want to hurt myself either, and I do thank you for your concern. It feels pretty good knowing that there are people out there looking out for others, even if it does invoke a childish bit of anger in me. I appologize.

Scotty the Body · 06-22-2002, 04:33 PM

It always seems that when I see somebody post a routine, inevitably somebody comes along and says "Yeah, its a great routine, but (insert name) uses AS" , which I am guessing is supposed to invalidate the entire routine.
Its like the whole Nazi accusation in debates, it is always brought up and it is still a logical fallacy.

You'd be suprised how many people use AS, the routines arn't total crap but arn't practical for most natural BB'rs.

LAM · 06-22-2002, 04:48 PM

epimetheus...how long have you been weight training ?

Snake_Eyes · 06-22-2002, 05:47 PM

The short rests used by Westside are only done on their dynamic effort (or speed) days. These days are used to develop power and only use from 50-65% of their 1RM in a lift.

On the maximal effort day, Westside works up to a heavy 1-3 rep set, using normal rest periods.

**Mudge** · 06-22-2002, 05:55 PM

Tada, that explains it.

1xDeatHsHeaDx3 · 06-24-2002, 04:45 AM

Fight Club is a great movie

06-22-2002, 03:46 PM	#31
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06-22-2002, 03:50 PM	#32
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,056 Photos: 1	You should give your body, not just your muscles - more rest than 20 seconds. I have only known 1 person to have a serious injury, being a torn pectoral muscle. Either way, I hope you look into rest periods more seriously. Leave 15-20 second rest periods for the aerobic people. Good luck
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06-22-2002, 03:52 PM	#33
epimetheus Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: KCMO Posts: 58	Ahh, the old AS acusation argument. It always seems that when I see somebody post a routine, inevitably somebody comes along and says "Yeah, its a great routine, but (insert name) uses AS" , which I am guessing is supposed to invalidate the entire routine. Its like the whole Nazi accusation in debates, it is always brought up and it is still a logical fallacy. I go based on how my muscles feel. Yesterday I did Deadlifts, only 225, when my Max is 309. Did 8 working sets of 1. Speed lifts I must add, and only rested about 20 seconds. I don't wear a watch, nor do I time the seconds. I go on how I feel, 20 seconds seems about right, though It might be 30 or even 40 seconds that I am resting. I don't want to hurt myself either, and I do thank you for your concern. It feels pretty good knowing that there are people out there looking out for others, even if it does invoke a childish bit of anger in me. I appologize. Last edited by epimetheus : 06-22-2002 at 04:06 PM.

06-22-2002, 04:33 PM	#34
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	It always seems that when I see somebody post a routine, inevitably somebody comes along and says "Yeah, its a great routine, but (insert name) uses AS" , which I am guessing is supposed to invalidate the entire routine. Its like the whole Nazi accusation in debates, it is always brought up and it is still a logical fallacy. You'd be suprised how many people use AS, the routines arn't total crap but arn't practical for most natural BB'rs.
	Cool

06-22-2002, 04:48 PM	#35
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	epimetheus...how long have you been weight training ?
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06-22-2002, 05:47 PM	#36
Snake_Eyes Real American Hero Join Date: May 2002 Location: Nevada Posts: 221	The short rests used by Westside are only done on their dynamic effort (or speed) days. These days are used to develop power and only use from 50-65% of their 1RM in a lift. On the maximal effort day, Westside works up to a heavy 1-3 rep set, using normal rest periods.

06-22-2002, 05:55 PM	#37
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23,056 Photos: 1	Tada, that explains it.
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