Best form for WG Pullups for max lat hypertrophy

Big G · 10-10-2007, 08:26 AM

Do I need to lift my chin completely over the bar each rep, or is that targeting my traps at the top of the movement?
8-10 reps per set OK? 3 or 4 sets OK?
Should I periodically try some one-rep max stuff (i.e. hanging weights off myself), or does that enhance strength more than mass?
Should I go almost to a complete hang position between each rep (i.e. near-maximum extension)?
"1second lift, 3 second lower" sound OK, or should I alter that periodically?

I'm looking for maximum lat hypertrophy. God, give me wings!

Any thoughts welcome.

**IainDaniel** · 10-10-2007, 08:32 AM

Rows

**Gazhole** · 10-10-2007, 08:33 AM

My advice : Stop thinking so much. Do the lift through the full ROM in a controlled manner. Who cares if it targets your traps more at the top? More muscle targeted = more muscle gained. Think about the program as a whole rather than each lift individually.

Big G · 10-10-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Rows

Really!? For Lats!? That's the first I've heard of rows being a big lat exercise. ExRx doesn't list rows on their lats page at all. They show it as a good compound movement for general back development, but not particularly for lats.

If it is, then that's great because I love rows and do several sets of various types on Pull day. I just always figured they're more of a rhomboid/middle-upper-back thing.

Anyway... Thx for advice.

vortrit · 10-10-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Big G

Really!? For Lats!? That's the first I've heard of rows being a big lat exercise. ExRx doesn't list rows on their lats page at all. They show it as a good compound movement for general back development, but not particularly for lats.

If it is, then that's great becuase I love rows and do several sets of various types on Pull day. I just always figured they're more of a rhomboid/middle-upper-back thing.

Anyway... Thx for advice.

From what I've read (in the stickies) things like rows work on back thickness while pullups work on back width.

Big G · 10-10-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Gazhole

My advice : Stop thinking so much. Do the lift through the full ROM in a controlled manner. Who cares if it targets your traps more at the top? More muscle targeted = more muscle gained. Think about the program as a whole rather than each lift individually.

Yeah, yeah. I hear ya. I know all that too. I was just looking for a bit of advice specifically regarding lat involvement in WG pullups. I have a well rounded pull/back program (and am seeing great results). I was just considering tweaking it a bit. Maybe I'd get better lat development staying in 1/4 to 3/4 ROM, and upping the reps, for example (for a while anyway).

Anyway... it doesn't matter. Thanks though. I'll just carry on with full ROM like I normally do.

Incidentally, speaking of full ROM, it suprises me that more people don't do full squats. I almost never see people doing full squats at my gym. Their upper legs are either parallel to floor or they're not even down that far. Why focus on only a portion of a movement? What's the logic there?

Big G · 10-10-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by vortrit

From what I've read (in the stickies) things like rows work on back thickness while pullups work on back width.

Ditto.

**Gazhole** · 10-10-2007, 11:43 AM

Your body doesnt distinguish between your lats and the other parts of the back, it moves to complete the movement.

So should you!

Work with the way your body works instead of against it. If you work on big compound pulling movements your BACK will grow. Not just your lats, but the rest of it too.

Isnt that better?

DOMS · 10-10-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Big G

Incidentally, speaking of full ROM, it suprises me that more people don't do full squats. I almost never see people doing full squats at my gym. Their upper legs are either parallel to floor or they're not even down that far. Why focus on only a portion of a movement? What's the logic there?

Ego and fear. You can move a lot more weight for a quarter rep than you can for a full rep. Plus, I think that a lot of people put on way too much weight too fast and never get comfortable going all the way down.

I can't help with your pull-up question, but you may want to consider adding some pull-overs into your workout.

Big G · 10-11-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DOMS

Ego and fear. You can move a lot more weight for a quarter rep than you can for a full rep. Plus, I think that a lot of people put on way too much weight too fast and never get comfortable going all the way down.

Kewl. I'm stickin' with it then.

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Originally Posted by DOMS

I can't help with your pull-up question, but you may want to consider adding some pull-overs into your workout.

I do pullovers already. In fact, here are my notes form my last back workout. Any thoughts? NOTE: I don;t normally do the BodyWeight+25lb pullups or BW+50lb dips. Other than that it's pretty-much the woprkout I've been doing over the past couple of months.

WORKOUT: Pull/Tri.
(1) Wide Grip Pullups (Full ROM, from hang to chin over bar) - BW-52lb(stretch/warmup):1x10. BW:2x8(just),1x5½. BW+25lb(1st ever attempt - few sets for fun):1x2, 1x1¾, 1x¾.
(2) Bent-over BB rows - 105lb:1x10, 115lb:10, 125lb:1x8(#8 not to abs), 135lb:1x8(7-8 not to abs), 145lb(new max):1x5(4-5 not to abs).
(3) Dips BW+30lb:1x10, 1x8(just), 1x6(just). BW+50lb (1st ever attempt - just for fun): 1x3½, 1x2½.
(4) Bent over lateral raise (rear delts) - 2x25lbDBs:3x8.
(5) DB Pullovers - 30lb:1x10, 35lb:1x10, 40lb:1x10, 45lb:1x6½(fail).
(6) Rows w/pivot machine - 60lb:2x8(6-8 not full), 70lb:1x7(5-7 not full)
(7) [S/Set w/#8, no RI] Straight-armed Lat Pulldowns - w/100lb:1x10, 2x4(fail).
(8) [S/Set w/#7, no RI] Cable/Rope Tricep Pulldowns - 80lb:1x8, 1x5(fail), 1x4(fail)

Hoglander · 10-11-2007, 09:37 PM

Um........

fUnc17 · 10-13-2007, 11:18 AM

Try to bring your chest to the bar

vortrit · 10-13-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Big G

Ditto.

I try to put both in my routine (horizontal and vertical pulling). I generally do my vertical pulling first because it's a week point.

10-10-2007, 08:26 AM	#1
Big G Gettin' Diesel. Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cols,OH. It sucks. Posts: 1,218 Photos: 1	Best form for WG Pullups for max lat hypertrophy Do I need to lift my chin completely over the bar each rep, or is that targeting my traps at the top of the movement? 8-10 reps per set OK? 3 or 4 sets OK? Should I periodically try some one-rep max stuff (i.e. hanging weights off myself), or does that enhance strength more than mass? Should I go almost to a complete hang position between each rep (i.e. near-maximum extension)? "1second lift, 3 second lower" sound OK, or should I alter that periodically? I'm looking for maximum lat hypertrophy. God, give me wings! Any thoughts welcome. Goal...... DL:500lb, Sqt:400lb, Bnch:300lb Current.. DL:375lb, Sqt:335lb, Bnch:260lb Weight: 197lb (up 36lb), bf=15%ish Age:35 Training since 11/06 journal

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Gazhole iwillmakeyousmelltheglove Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wales, UK Posts: 7,999 Photos: 19	My advice : Stop thinking so much. Do the lift through the full ROM in a controlled manner. Who cares if it targets your traps more at the top? More muscle targeted = more muscle gained. Think about the program as a whole rather than each lift individually. http://sdatrainingprograms.blogspot.com - Updated 13/11/09 ***READ THIS FOR TRAINING INFO:*** http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/99879-articles-ironmagazineforums-members.html If you want to win the fight, say "I BELIEVE".

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10-10-2007, 11:43 AM	#8
Gazhole iwillmakeyousmelltheglove Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wales, UK Posts: 7,999 Photos: 19	Your body doesnt distinguish between your lats and the other parts of the back, it moves to complete the movement. So should you! Work with the way your body works instead of against it. If you work on big compound pulling movements your BACK will grow. Not just your lats, but the rest of it too. Isnt that better? http://sdatrainingprograms.blogspot.com - Updated 13/11/09 ***READ THIS FOR TRAINING INFO:*** http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/training/99879-articles-ironmagazineforums-members.html If you want to win the fight, say "I BELIEVE".

10-11-2007, 09:37 PM	#11
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