pushin days....

HialeahChico305 · 12-06-2007, 11:04 PM

I usually hit chest on mondays, and shoulders on wednesdays or thurdays........what I have notice is that whenever I hit chest hard on a monday, my upcomin shoulder workout its not as good (meaning I cant lift heavy) as it is when I do chest with low weights. my question is why? I know my triceps get a bit of a work out when I do chest but I dint know my shoulders were .

**P-funk** · 12-06-2007, 11:15 PM

Because you are using similiar muscles to accomplish both tasks. that is why it is sill to break them up.

HialeahChico305 · 12-06-2007, 11:20 PM

what do you recommend a push/pull split? I have tried doing shoulders right after chest but I seem tired after the chest session.

**P-funk** · 12-06-2007, 11:23 PM

push/pull or upper/lower are fine.

prioritize things. Start with a chest press for a few weeks and then switch and start with a shoulder press in the workout for the next few weeks.

HialeahChico305 · 12-06-2007, 11:36 PM

sounds good man.....solid advice. One last question ...If I do a push/pull split how long till I do my next push session? for example when I hit chest I let it rest a whole week most of the time. same goes for shoulder

Big G · 12-07-2007, 04:47 AM

Put pullovers in pull day then you'll be hitting chest twice a week.

Do push/bi - legs - pull/tri, then put dips on pull day too. Then you'll be hitting chest again.

Don't think in terms of body-parts. Think in terms of movements.

**P-funk** · 12-07-2007, 06:44 AM

If you do upper/lower (or even total body) you can be hitting your chest more frequently (just manage your volume), twice a week.

Witchblade · 12-07-2007, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Big G

Put pullovers in pull day then you'll be hitting chest twice a week.

Do push/bi - legs - pull/tri, then put dips on pull day too. Then you'll be hitting chest again.

Don't think in terms of body-parts. Think in terms of movements.

You just totally contradicted yourself with that last sentence.

**P-funk** · 12-07-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

You just totally contradicted yourself with that last sentence.

yea, that statement really didn't make much sense to me either.

Hoglander · 12-07-2007, 10:03 PM

To much space out running???

Big G · 12-08-2007, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

You just totally contradicted yourself with that last sentence.

You know what I mean... He was asking about hitting chest more than once a week. I was just pointing out that not all pulling movements are back exercises.

If he splits his workouts up by movement (e.g. push/pull) he can hit chest more than once a week (unlike if he's splitting by body part & having only one "Chest Day", for example).

**P-funk** · 12-08-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Big G

You know what I mean... He was asking about hitting chest more than once a week. I was just pointing out that not all pulling movements are back exercises.

If he splits his workouts up by movement (e.g. push/pull) he can hit chest more than once a week (unlike if he's splitting by body part & having only one "Chest Day", for example).

what pulling movements hit the chest? I am not following you.

Witchblade · 12-08-2007, 09:52 AM

Pull-overs, he'll say, but that's irrelevant to the point.

**P-funk** · 12-08-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

Pull-overs, he'll say, but that's irrelevant to the point.

yea, but then he said to put dips on pull day also...which has nothing to do with a pulling movment.

Big G · 12-08-2007, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

Pull-overs, he'll say, but that's irrelevant to the point.

That is what I was going to say. Why is that irrelevant?

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Originally Posted by P-funk

yea, but then he said to put dips on pull day also...which has nothing to do with a pulling movment.

Obviously."rolleyes:

If dips was a pulling movement the split wouldn't be called "push/bi-legs-pull/tri" split (which, I believe, is straight from Cowpimp's "How to design a split routine" post). It'd just be a push-legs-pull split.

HialeahChico305's last comment was "One last question ...If I do a push/pull split how long till I do my next push session?"

How does your comment (If you do upper/lower (or even total body) you can be hitting your chest more frequently (just manage your volume), twice a week) answer that?

Admittedly, my post didn't answer it either, but still...how have my posts been "irrelevant to the point"? What did you interpret the point to be?

**P-funk** · 12-08-2007, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Big G

That is what I was going to say. Why is that irrelevant?

Obviously."rolleyes:

If dips was a pulling movement the split wouldn't be called "push/bi-legs-pull/tri" split (which, I believe, is straight from Cowpimp's "How to design a split routine" post). It'd just be a push-legs-pull split.

HialeahChico305's last comment was "One last question ...If I do a push/pull split how long till I do my next push session?"

How does your comment (If you do upper/lower (or even total body) you can be hitting your chest more frequently (just manage your volume), twice a week) answer that?

Admittedly, my post didn't answer it either, but still...how have my posts been "irrelevant to the point"? What did you interpret the point to be?

the concentric portion of of a pullover is shoulder extension, which is not a movement that the pectoralis major performance (save for maybe some of lower fibers being active at the extreme stretch position...but that is moot).

My comment about doing upper/lower and hitting chest more frequently is quite self explaintory if you think about it.

Upper 1 you might have a bench press....Upper 2 you might have an incline DB press....That would be more frequently hitting your chest. What don't you understand about that?

Big G · 12-08-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

the concentric portion of of a pullover is shoulder extension, which is not a movement that the pectoralis major performance (save for maybe some of lower fibers being active at the extreme stretch position...but that is moot).

My comment about doing upper/lower and hitting chest more frequently is quite self explaintory if you think about it.

Upper 1 you might have a bench press....Upper 2 you might have an incline DB press....That would be more frequently hitting your chest. What don't you understand about that?

My godness... This is a strange conversation.

Your comment about doing upper/lower and hitting chest more frequently is quite self explaintory (which, BTW, is spelled e-x-p-l-a-n-a-t-o-r-y), but it still has nothing to do with HialeahChico305's last question.

Additionally, I do understand that doing a bench press on Upper-1 day and an incline DB press on Upper-2 involves hitting your chest more frequently than once a week. 1+1=2 afterall. But, again, this has nothing to do with the push-legs-pull routine that HialeahChico305's was writing about.

Clearly, upon review, we both missed the point of HialeahChico305's last post which was, simply, to find out how long he should wait between push sessions.

Big G · 12-08-2007, 11:30 AM

With all that said... I didn't realize that a pullover wasn't that good of a chest exercise though. I swear I've seen it listed that way in loads of books and websites. It's certainly listed on exrx.net's Pectoralis Major, Sternal page. In fact, it blatently says it "targets" the Pectoralis Major, Sternal on the Pullover page. You should probably use your explaintory powers to tell them how wrong they are.

ReproMan · 12-08-2007, 12:51 PM

Why are you always such a dick after someone corrects you?

I think we'd all be better off if you just took advice in the training forum instead of giving it.

**P-funk** · 12-08-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Big G

With all that said... I didn't realize that a pullover wasn't that good of a chest exercise though. I swear I've seen it listed that way in loads of books and websites. It's certainly listed on exrx.net's Pectoralis Major, Sternal page. In fact, it blatently says it "targets" the Pectoralis Major, Sternal on the Pullover page. You should probably use your explaintory powers to tell them how wrong they are.

as i stated. some of the fibers will contract from that extreme position at the end ROM. But, it is not significant enough to consider it a prime mover.

**P-funk** · 12-08-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ReproMan

Why are you always such a dick after someone corrects you?

I think we'd all be better off if you just took advice in the training forum instead of giving it.

x2

Witchblade · 12-08-2007, 01:19 PM

Well, he'll probably say thanks ten times now and ask for forgiveness. Next thread he'll do the same all over again.

**P-funk** · 12-08-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

Well, he'll probably say thanks ten times now and ask for forgiveness. Next thread he'll do the same all over again.

that is why i try and stay away from threads that he creates and posts in.

Big G · 12-09-2007, 09:41 PM

12-06-2007, 11:04 PM	#1
HialeahChico305 chicos status is "Humble" Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The amazons Posts: 914 Photos: 9	pushin days.... I usually hit chest on mondays, and shoulders on wednesdays or thurdays........what I have notice is that whenever I hit chest hard on a monday, my upcomin shoulder workout its not as good (meaning I cant lift heavy) as it is when I do chest with low weights. my question is why? I know my triceps get a bit of a work out when I do chest but I dint know my shoulders were .

12-06-2007, 11:15 PM	#2
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,574	Because you are using similiar muscles to accomplish both tasks. that is why it is sill to break them up.
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12-06-2007, 11:23 PM	#4
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,574	push/pull or upper/lower are fine. prioritize things. Start with a chest press for a few weeks and then switch and start with a shoulder press in the workout for the next few weeks.
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12-07-2007, 04:47 AM	#6
Big G Gettin' Diesel. Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cols,OH. It sucks. Posts: 1,212 Photos: 1	Put pullovers in pull day then you'll be hitting chest twice a week. Do push/bi - legs - pull/tri, then put dips on pull day too. Then you'll be hitting chest again. Don't think in terms of body-parts. Think in terms of movements.
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12-07-2007, 06:44 AM	#7
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,574	If you do upper/lower (or even total body) you can be hitting your chest more frequently (just manage your volume), twice a week.
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12-06-2007, 11:20 PM	#3
HialeahChico305 chicos status is "Humble" Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The amazons Posts: 914 Photos: 9	what do you recommend a push/pull split? I have tried doing shoulders right after chest but I seem tired after the chest session.

12-06-2007, 11:36 PM	#5
HialeahChico305 chicos status is "Humble" Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The amazons Posts: 914 Photos: 9	sounds good man.....solid advice. One last question ...If I do a push/pull split how long till I do my next push session? for example when I hit chest I let it rest a whole week most of the time. same goes for shoulder

12-07-2007, 10:03 PM	#10
Hoglander Cleaner Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Washington Posts: 1,230 Blog Entries: 1 Photos: 10	To much space out running???

12-08-2007, 09:52 AM	#13
Witchblade Succinct Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Holland Posts: 4,426 Photos: 2	Pull-overs, he'll say, but that's irrelevant to the point.
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12-08-2007, 11:30 AM	#18
Big G Gettin' Diesel. Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cols,OH. It sucks. Posts: 1,212 Photos: 1	With all that said... I didn't realize that a pullover wasn't that good of a chest exercise though. I swear I've seen it listed that way in loads of books and websites. It's certainly listed on exrx.net's Pectoralis Major, Sternal page. In fact, it blatently says it "targets" the Pectoralis Major, Sternal on the Pullover page. You should probably use your explaintory powers to tell them how wrong they are.
	Goal...... DL:500lb, Sqt:400lb, Bnch:300lb Current.. DL:375lb, Sqt:335lb, Bnch:260lb Weight: 185lb (up 25lb), bf=15%ish Age:35 Training since 11/06 journal

12-08-2007, 12:51 PM	#19
ReproMan Señor Member Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Stuart, FL Posts: 7,226	Why are you always such a dick after someone corrects you? I think we'd all be better off if you just took advice in the training forum instead of giving it.

12-08-2007, 01:19 PM	#22
Witchblade Succinct Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Holland Posts: 4,426 Photos: 2	Well, he'll probably say thanks ten times now and ask for forgiveness. Next thread he'll do the same all over again.
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12-09-2007, 09:41 PM	#24
Big G Gettin' Diesel. Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cols,OH. It sucks. Posts: 1,212 Photos: 1
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