Rear Delt Rows and Lateral Deltoids

kiko · 03-12-2008, 07:15 PM

How much lateral deltoid involvement in Rear Delt Rows? Is it enough to stimulate growth? I'm looking for a pull exercise (DB or Barbell) that hits the lateral delts to substitute upright rows.

tomuchgear · 03-12-2008, 07:22 PM

try face pulls.

tomuchgear · 03-12-2008, 07:24 PM

also rear delt flys if dont correctly they are great. form is key with the rear delt fly.

Irons77 · 03-12-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kiko

How much lateral deltoid involvement in Rear Delt Rows? Is it enough to stimulate growth? I'm looking for a pull exercise (DB or Barbell) that hits the lateral delts to substitute upright rows.

Shoulders are a push muscle not a pull, bro Try military press DB or BB or DB lateral raises

tomuchgear · 03-13-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Irons77

Shoulders are a push muscle not a pull, bro Try military press DB or BB or DB lateral raises

shoulders are a push muscle but rear delts can be stimulated very well by the right fly, and pull exercises.

Irons77 · 03-13-2008, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tomuchgear

shoulders are a push muscle but rear delts can be stimulated very well by the right fly, and pull exercises.

Your right. I just wanted to make sure he knew that.

tomuchgear · 03-13-2008, 08:44 AM

ah ok also one more thing face pulls look to be the same exercise as the rear delt row. wierd seems the only diffrence is how high you pull the cable.

kiko · 03-13-2008, 02:24 PM

Face pulls sound interesting. I might give it a try. I prefer compound exercises that can be done with either dumbbells and/or barbells though.

UFC rocks · 03-13-2008, 03:01 PM

yeh rear delts get worked well with pulling exercises, thats why i dont really isolate them. but if i was to do a isolation exercise for them, such as rear delt flys is it best to do it on my pull day, or on my push day with the other delts.

tomuchgear · 03-13-2008, 05:35 PM

i like to do my rear delts on my back day. since the rear delts do seem to get good stimulation from working traps, rhomboids, and the terus. i figure its best to break down my shoulders into sections to avoid over training. also to avoid injury.

tomuchgear · 03-13-2008, 05:36 PM

correction back days sorry. i do two back days to fully work the diffrent parts of my back and add diffrent stimulus to the muscles.

Elson · 03-13-2008, 08:54 PM

wide grip and narrow grip seated rows work best id say

Witchblade · 03-14-2008, 11:16 AM

90% of the exercises mentioned hardly stimulate the lateral delts. No need for isolation though.

UFC rocks · 03-14-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

90% of the exercises mentioned hardly stimulate the lateral delts. No need for isolation though.

if they dont get worked from those exercises and there is no need to isolate them, then how are they going to grow.

Metallibanger · 03-14-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by UFC rocks

if they dont get worked from those exercises and there is no need to isolate them, then how are they going to grow.

With shoulder presses?

Witchblade · 03-14-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Metallibanger

With shoulder presses?

Bingo.

tomuchgear · 03-14-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

90% of the exercises mentioned hardly stimulate the lateral delts. No need for isolation though.

ya know what you are correct i miss read the question. i went of the title of the thread. sorry for the lateral delt press. for isolation side lateral raises.

PreMier · 03-14-2008, 03:54 PM

i do incline db face pulls on pull day. 2 sets 15 reps for my rear delts.

is it necessary? who knows, but i do them

oneovercabin · 03-15-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Irons77

Shoulders are a push muscle not a pull, bro Try military press DB or BB or DB lateral raises

Oh really? You don't think shoulders are incorporated in movements like rows, pullups, etc.?

Sure about that?

tomuchgear · 03-15-2008, 11:45 AM

actualy if you scroll up a little you can see were irons did say that shoulders can be activated by pulls.
Originally Posted by tomuchgear
shoulders are a push muscle but rear delts can be stimulated very well by the right fly, and pull exercises.

Your right. I just wanted to make sure he knew that

tomuchgear · 03-15-2008, 11:47 AM

shoulders are a little of both. some parts of your shoulder do respond better to push movements as opposed to pull movements. rear head respond very well to pulling, as does the middle. frontal seems to respond much better to push.

Minhkey · 03-16-2008, 05:29 PM

shoulder presses are so hard for me

tomuchgear · 03-16-2008, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Minhkey

shoulder presses are so hard for me

you may need to check your form, or reduce the weight you are doing. what problem is it that you are having with the shoulder presses?

**Biggly** · 03-16-2008, 07:57 PM

I'm a little confused, the lateral delts are the top/side of the shoulder, and no, rear rows aren't really going to hit them, just stretch them a little.

Why do you need to substitute upright rows, seeing as how it's pretty much the ideal exercise from what you say you want? An alternative is simple side raises, where you'll lift more with one arm than two.

Are you trying to avoid working your biceps that day or something?

B.

Elson · 03-16-2008, 08:41 PM

sorry i thought we were talking about posterior delts

kiko · 03-16-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggly

Why do you need to substitute upright rows, seeing as how it's pretty much the ideal exercise from what you say you want? An alternative is simple side raises, where you'll lift more with one arm than two.

Are you trying to avoid working your biceps that day or something?

B.

I did upright rows for a while. The exercise just feels "unnatural" to me. For some reason I don't feel comfortable doing them. I do military presses on push day but I would like to hit the lateral delts on pull day too.

Btw, I think Rear Delt Rows work the biceps too.

tomuchgear · 03-17-2008, 08:33 AM

dont worry elson i think a few of us got confused on this thread. upright rows dont feel natural for alot of people. check your grip, and form. you may just have to play with the weight, and grip till it feels more comfortable.

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03-13-2008, 08:44 AM	#7
tomuchgear gettin there Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 1,447 Photos: 2	ah ok also one more thing face pulls look to be the same exercise as the rear delt row. wierd seems the only diffrence is how high you pull the cable.
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UFC rocks Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: England Posts: 218	yeh rear delts get worked well with pulling exercises, thats why i dont really isolate them. but if i was to do a isolation exercise for them, such as rear delt flys is it best to do it on my pull day, or on my push day with the other delts.

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tomuchgear gettin there Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 1,447 Photos: 2	i like to do my rear delts on my back day. since the rear delts do seem to get good stimulation from working traps, rhomboids, and the terus. i figure its best to break down my shoulders into sections to avoid over training. also to avoid injury.
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03-13-2008, 05:36 PM	#11
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tomuchgear gettin there Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 1,447 Photos: 2	shoulders are a little of both. some parts of your shoulder do respond better to push movements as opposed to pull movements. rear head respond very well to pulling, as does the middle. frontal seems to respond much better to push.
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03-17-2008, 08:33 AM	#27
tomuchgear gettin there Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ohio Posts: 1,447 Photos: 2	dont worry elson i think a few of us got confused on this thread. upright rows dont feel natural for alot of people. check your grip, and form. you may just have to play with the weight, and grip till it feels more comfortable.
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