Help with supps beyond whey and creatine (moved)

zihyer · 03-13-2008, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by StxNas

I shot you a PM...we'll move forward from there or you can start you thread. Just make sure you send me the link if you start your own thread. I thought you had bumped an old thread, but realized somebody before you did...

...my apologies for going off topic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by StxNas

Tell us a few things about yourself and we'll point you in the right direction.

Lifting experience, goals, diet, age, weight/height, etc

Okay, so here's where we left off on the other thread.... and my response:

May 08 will mark one year for solid gym-attendance. I started at about 156lbs and pressing 50lb dumbells. I'm now up to 180lbs and between 90-110 (trying to figure out the fluctuation there) on the flat bench and more recently focusing on legs to catch them up.

Goals are to look scary enough to scare sh!tless the little turds that come asking my daughter out when she gets old enough. Strength and mass are the goals. I have naturally high metabolism so i'm fairly slim and have, over the last several months, trained myself to eat many many times throughout the day. Lots of tuna, chicken, steak hb eggs, fruits, yogurt and so on.

I'm all ears... and very very grateful for your help!!

Elson · 03-14-2008, 06:49 AM

you've definitely got the best goal i've heard of yet. i don't think anyone can help you until we know your gym plan. why don't you post your w/o routine.

zihyer · 03-14-2008, 07:49 AM

Okay. Typical chest/tri day:
flat db press: 3 normal sets of 5-8 reps, then one burnout where i start with, for example, 110s drop to 80s (do all i can), drop to 55 (rpt), 40, 20, 10... then roll off the bench and die on the floor.
Next, i'll sit at a upright bench with the back at about 80 degrees and pull the cables from way back to out front and slightly upward. About 3-5 sets of these at about 8 reps each.
Then palms-up tri pulldown with an angled swivel bar for max 8 reps then flip it immediatly to palms-down and finish out another 4 or so. About 4-5 sets of these and then i go from there.

If something feels like it needs more i adjust with either cables or the butterfly machine. This monday i finished up this routine with 2 sets of overhead tri rope extensions.

Back/bi day, shoulder/abs day and leg day is more of the same template. Just start out with the big cmpnd exercise and step the weight down then isolate and burn out.

So far, i've responded real well to the drop sets (is that what you call them?) in terms of strength and growth so i've stuck with them. I change it up by going higher reps every now and then but almost always drop the weight on my compound exercises like db press, pulldowns and leg leg press.

StxNas · 03-14-2008, 12:26 PM

I haven't forgotten about you, I'm just studying today...I promise to get back to you this weekend...hopefully you'll get a few more replies before then though.

StxNas · 03-14-2008, 04:11 PM

Alright, where were we?

I've seen a couple of your posts and you seem to have found the "herbal hypertrophics."

I would probably go with Mass FX and Hyperdrol instead of SuperdrolNG. SuperdrolNG is a DHEA based product with some Yohimbine, caffeine, and few other things. I don't think it would be best suited for size as much as it would be for cutting up.

Your routine looks fine to me, but if you plateau just try switching up your routine. There are so many opinions on workout routines that I don't like to try and tell people what should work for them.

Do you keep track of your calories? I would suggest trying something like FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal

zihyer · 03-14-2008, 06:43 PM

No, i haven't started that yet. I can try it out though and see what i come up with. Thanks for the advice on the Mass FX and Hyperdrol. So nni mentioned that Mass FX can be taken with no pct... is the hyperdrol to augment the effects of the mass fx? I was reading up on hyperdrol on this site and it looks as if it does the same thing. What am i missing?

thanks again!

StxNas · 03-14-2008, 07:38 PM

The old Mass FX didn't contain an aromatase inhibitor and utilized a spirostane (sp)...I'm going to have to recant my previous suggestion b/c I forgot that a new Mass FX was just recently released.

I would still suggest Hyperdrol as good standalone product to use for up to eight weeks. It would be a great way to get comfortable with manipulating calories and your workouts before using something truly hormonal (exogenous hormones).

None of the stuff that you have mentioned thus far requires a true pct. I guess SuperdrolNG would require a minimal pct though. What did nni suggest? Activate Xtreme would definitely be another option.

StxNas · 03-15-2008, 11:07 PM

Where'd you go?

03-14-2008, 06:49 AM	#2
Elson blabbermouth Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 69	you've definitely got the best goal i've heard of yet. i don't think anyone can help you until we know your gym plan. why don't you post your w/o routine.
	Start: 130lbs Current:steady at 155lbs (04/27/08)

03-15-2008, 11:07 PM	#8
StxNas Anabolic Innovations Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: n/a Posts: 130	Where'd you go?
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03-14-2008, 07:49 AM	#3
zihyer Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 24 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 6	Okay. Typical chest/tri day: flat db press: 3 normal sets of 5-8 reps, then one burnout where i start with, for example, 110s drop to 80s (do all i can), drop to 55 (rpt), 40, 20, 10... then roll off the bench and die on the floor. Next, i'll sit at a upright bench with the back at about 80 degrees and pull the cables from way back to out front and slightly upward. About 3-5 sets of these at about 8 reps each. Then palms-up tri pulldown with an angled swivel bar for max 8 reps then flip it immediatly to palms-down and finish out another 4 or so. About 4-5 sets of these and then i go from there. If something feels like it needs more i adjust with either cables or the butterfly machine. This monday i finished up this routine with 2 sets of overhead tri rope extensions. Back/bi day, shoulder/abs day and leg day is more of the same template. Just start out with the big cmpnd exercise and step the weight down then isolate and burn out. So far, i've responded real well to the drop sets (is that what you call them?) in terms of strength and growth so i've stuck with them. I change it up by going higher reps every now and then but almost always drop the weight on my compound exercises like db press, pulldowns and leg leg press.

03-14-2008, 12:26 PM	#4
StxNas Anabolic Innovations Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: n/a Posts: 130	I haven't forgotten about you, I'm just studying today...I promise to get back to you this weekend...hopefully you'll get a few more replies before then though.

03-14-2008, 04:11 PM	#5
StxNas Anabolic Innovations Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: n/a Posts: 130	Alright, where were we? I've seen a couple of your posts and you seem to have found the "herbal hypertrophics." I would probably go with Mass FX and Hyperdrol instead of SuperdrolNG. SuperdrolNG is a DHEA based product with some Yohimbine, caffeine, and few other things. I don't think it would be best suited for size as much as it would be for cutting up. Your routine looks fine to me, but if you plateau just try switching up your routine. There are so many opinions on workout routines that I don't like to try and tell people what should work for them. Do you keep track of your calories? I would suggest trying something like FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal

03-14-2008, 06:43 PM	#6
zihyer Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 24 Blog Entries: 3 Photos: 6	No, i haven't started that yet. I can try it out though and see what i come up with. Thanks for the advice on the Mass FX and Hyperdrol. So nni mentioned that Mass FX can be taken with no pct... is the hyperdrol to augment the effects of the mass fx? I was reading up on hyperdrol on this site and it looks as if it does the same thing. What am i missing? thanks again!

03-14-2008, 07:38 PM	#7
StxNas Anabolic Innovations Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: n/a Posts: 130	The old Mass FX didn't contain an aromatase inhibitor and utilized a spirostane (sp)...I'm going to have to recant my previous suggestion b/c I forgot that a new Mass FX was just recently released. I would still suggest Hyperdrol as good standalone product to use for up to eight weeks. It would be a great way to get comfortable with manipulating calories and your workouts before using something truly hormonal (exogenous hormones). None of the stuff that you have mentioned thus far requires a true pct. I guess SuperdrolNG would require a minimal pct though. What did nni suggest? Activate Xtreme would definitely be another option.