Progression Question

danzik17 · 04-10-2008, 05:48 PM

I have no idea why I was thinking about this mid-set in the gym earlier, but whatever.

Let's say you are on a cutting diet so you can't physiologically put muscle on. You are still increasing weights due to neural efficiency and other factors like that. If you were to then go on a bulk, would you be able to put muscle on using that weight or lighter even if it didn't feel heavy to you since you are used to the weight?

If that's not clear enough, basically let's say you were on a bulk and gaining muscle using 50lb DB rows. In an alternate dimension, you were on a cut but able to strengthen yourself enough so that those 50lb rows were just as easy as if you had been bulking. Could you then gain muscle from the "light" rows if you started bulking?

Plateau_Max · 04-10-2008, 08:11 PM

The NMC factor of lifting weights allows more muscle fibers to be used in the movement of the weight. So if you were to go into a bulk where you have the nutritional backing to actually put on muscle then yes you'll put on muscle because the use of more fibers to push the weight doesn't mean they're not being torn down and rebuilt.

Make sense? I'm finding it hard to put in words I'm satisfied with...

danzik17 · 04-10-2008, 08:45 PM

I wonder if you would see a sudden jump in muscle gain then if you are utilizing more fibers to push the weight than someone without the NMC?

This is the kind of shit I think about when I'm bored in class.

danzik17 · 04-13-2008, 11:24 PM

Come on Gaz, you asked for more in-depth random training questions

**Gazhole** · 04-14-2008, 01:20 AM

Shut up im thinking.

**Gazhole** · 04-14-2008, 01:25 AM

My answer is "yes, BUT".

As in - yes. There is no specific weight that can 'let' you put on muscle, its a RANGE of weights. Or rather, a range of intensities. So say that 50lb dumbell was your previous 8RM, thats cool. You can put on muscle with that.

Then you get stronger and it is now your 10RM, thats fine - that rep range falls into the "mechanical work" category if you believe in that stuff. I've gained muscle using my 14+RMs.

The BUT is that the weight is going to seem lighter to you, I.e. it will occupy a lower level of intensity (8RM -> 10RM) so if you want to keep the same level of intensity that was working for you before you got stronger, you'll need to lift the 60lbs weight in your example.

It does make a difference, but its not that MUCH of a difference. You can gain weight doing ANY sort of training with weights IMO.

I think Max said the same thing in a different way.

Do either of us make sense? :P

Witchblade · 04-14-2008, 08:33 AM

Assuming you're not going to up the volume to make up for the decrease of intensity, the answer is no. Your body is oblivious to the fact you were on a cut and of your program history. Your body just knows the training stress just decreased to sub adaption levels.

danzik17 · 04-14-2008, 09:06 AM

Yup makes perfect sense.

More random questions to follow as I become increasingly bored in class.

**Gazhole** · 04-14-2008, 11:35 AM

Keep em coming

**CowPimp** · 04-14-2008, 12:33 PM

Yes, getting stronger helps you get bigger. Now when you go back and lift you can use a heavier weight when working with parameters that allow enough volume for maximal growth. That is, you can do more muscular work at a given intensity range in the same amount of time. You now have a more powerful growth stimulus. Make sense?

04-10-2008, 05:48 PM	#1
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Plateau_Max I enjoy SkyDiving Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 865	The NMC factor of lifting weights allows more muscle fibers to be used in the movement of the weight. So if you were to go into a bulk where you have the nutritional backing to actually put on muscle then yes you'll put on muscle because the use of more fibers to push the weight doesn't mean they're not being torn down and rebuilt. Make sense? I'm finding it hard to put in words I'm satisfied with...
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04-10-2008, 08:45 PM	#3
danzik17 Gender: MALE Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,490 Blog Entries: 5	I wonder if you would see a sudden jump in muscle gain then if you are utilizing more fibers to push the weight than someone without the NMC? This is the kind of shit I think about when I'm bored in class.
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danzik17 Gender: MALE Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,490 Blog Entries: 5	Come on Gaz, you asked for more in-depth random training questions
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Witchblade Succinct Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Holland Posts: 3,931	Assuming you're not going to up the volume to make up for the decrease of intensity, the answer is no. Your body is oblivious to the fact you were on a cut and of your program history. Your body just knows the training stress just decreased to sub adaption levels.
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04-14-2008, 09:06 AM	#8
danzik17 Gender: MALE Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York Posts: 1,490 Blog Entries: 5	Yup makes perfect sense. More random questions to follow as I become increasingly bored in class.
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