squatting and deadlifting for fighters

CORUM · 05-03-2008, 07:14 PM

Let me ask though, how many Bodybuilders do you knwo that have endurance and speed? Honesty question, I really do not know they dont look like they would be very quick to me. And I know the more muscle bound guys tire out quicker in the fight, unless your name is Sean Sherk and he is a FREAK!!!!

**P-funk** · 05-03-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CORUM

Let me ask though, how many Bodybuilders do you knwo that have endurance and speed? Honesty question, I really do not know they dont look like they would be very quick to me. And I know the more muscle bound guys tire out quicker in the fight, unless your name is Sean Sherk and he is a FREAK!!!!

read my post above the last one.....improper exercise prescription leads to improper results....bodybuilders train different than athletes.

CORUM · 05-03-2008, 07:25 PM

Ok I thought that's what you was getting at, just wanted clarity!! I thought you was saying you can do both, and if that was possible I wanted to know. I think Sean Sherk is one of the closest fighters I have seen combine bulk and athletism.

I was trying to tell danny81, to stay away from bodybuilder type training if his goals are to be a fighter cause like you said they are different focus. That is why I tend to stay away from things I feel will slow me down or hurt endurance. What I got from your post is if it is incorporated properly it could be done. So how would you recommend incorporating things like the squat and deadlift into training that requires so much leg work Daily?

Goodfella9783 · 05-03-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by P-funk

The thing to remeber about training for any sport....fighting, boxing, football, baseball, whatever.....is that you have to understand the characteristics of the sport and how they apply to the athlete you are working with. This comes down to your testing of the athlete and determination of what their limiting factors are. Training for powerlifting or training for bodybuilding, are probably not going to be the best ways to prepare for a match. You have to understand your sport in order to apply the training.

Great post.

CORUM · 05-03-2008, 07:27 PM

Nevermind, I reread what you said and understood it. I said something similar. Try it out and see what works for you!! 100%agree!! lol

**P-funk** · 05-03-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CORUM

Ok I thought that's what you was getting at, just wanted clarity!! I thought you was saying you can do both, and if that was possible I wanted to know. I think Sean Sherk is one of the closest fighters I have seen combine bulk and athletism.

I was trying to tell danny81, to stay away from bodybuilder type training if his goals are to be a fighter cause like you said they are different focus. That is why I tend to stay away from things I feel will slow me down or hurt endurance. What I got from your post is if it is incorporated properly it could be done. So how would you recommend incorporating things like the squat and deadlift into training that requires so much leg work Daily?

It doesn't have to require a lot of leg work daily. Also, it doesn't have to require heavy leg work daily.

It just has to have enough leg work to get a stimulus. Some of that is going to be on his part, since he will have to see what he can handle and recover from. Also, I don't know how many days a week he is performing his fight training. And, is he training fora specific competition or just training to train. All of these things have to be considered.

CORUM · 05-03-2008, 07:42 PM

Got you, I was basing my opinion of some of the normal training with MMA. Boxing one day, Wrestling and Grappling the next. Or a split of boxing in the morning and the other in the evening every other day. So I would say what about 3 times a week. I guess you could work in weights the other two days.

**P-funk** · 05-03-2008, 07:44 PM

2-3x's a week is about right.

CORUM · 05-03-2008, 07:52 PM

Ok, also it was hard for me to figure leg days in because I was doing MMA training and I was in the Army at the same time. I would run anywhere from 4-10 miles in the morning almost everyday of the week, one day would be 6-12 mile roadmarch. Then in the evening I would go to the gym and do my drills. That was about 5 days a week. THATS ALOT ON THE LEGS!!! After the runs and stuff I did my push ups und crunches. Sometimes the mornings were changed up to some sprints or Fartlic (sp?) runs but rarely! I can't base mine off his, but when I was training it was hard on the knees and legs!

danny81 · 05-03-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CORUM

It happens!!! I've broke my hand five different times fighting, if you getting upset about that you need to work on thickening that skin before you go and try and be a fighter!!! They will say much worse!!

Dont worry I am. I started hitting my heavybag bareknuckle to harden the skiin on my knuckles.

CORUM · 05-03-2008, 08:06 PM

LOL I didn't mean literally!!! lol But thats good to toughen your hands especially if you want to go to Vale Tudo (sp?) but I meant don't get so worked up over comments, because anyone who fights breaks something!! GOOD LUCK!!!

mannyb · 05-03-2008, 08:49 PM

ive been training mma for about 9 months now for fun n i never trained legs a day in my life. mostly jus running n skipping rope for cardio. but i recently joined a BJJ class n to tell u the truth my legs r so weak. man, do i regret that. so yes i do legs. i dont go heavy i jus do more reps. dont listen to ken shamrock! he sucks. he jus a stand up guy. now days u gotta be able to stand n roll if it comes to that.

danny81 · 05-03-2008, 08:51 PM

^^^^ummm no. hes more of a grappler.

danny81 · 05-03-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CORUM

LOL I didn't mean literally!!! lol But thats good to toughen your hands especially if you want to go to Vale Tudo (sp?) but I meant don't get so worked up over comments, because anyone who fights breaks something!! GOOD LUCK!!!

oo werd lol. I have anger problems. i fight real easy.

CORUM · 05-03-2008, 09:20 PM

mannyb youve been doing MMA for 9 months and just now getting into a BJJ class????That would have been one of the first things i did!! but i did BJJ for 6 years. loved it, but haven't found a gym with in distance from where i am. so fell off about 2 years ago!

and danny you need to fix the anger if you want to be a fighter (pro) they will get in your head they want you mad and you will make a mistake!!!

danny81 · 05-03-2008, 10:13 PM

Lol not that easy I dont want to look like a bitch ya digz?

CORUM · 05-03-2008, 11:08 PM

Ok a question you can ask "Am I a Badass or do I just want to look like one?" Trust me not easy, but I know I can win why do I have to prove it? If you think you can whoop my ass put your money where your mouth is!! Get it?

**P-funk** · 05-03-2008, 11:09 PM

Don't waste your time with Danny. it will get you no where. that is why i wont help him out anymore and answer his stupid threads.

CORUM · 05-03-2008, 11:16 PM

Ok P-Funk, guess some know and some think they know!! Danny I guess I will be done with this thread, but I will tell you one day you will KNOW. Good Luck, with the fight game!!

05-03-2008, 07:14 PM	#31
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 204	BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com Let me ask though, how many Bodybuilders do you knwo that have endurance and speed? Honesty question, I really do not know they dont look like they would be very quick to me. And I know the more muscle bound guys tire out quicker in the fight, unless your name is Sean Sherk and he is a FREAK!!!!

05-03-2008, 07:44 PM	#38
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,136	2-3x's a week is about right.
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05-03-2008, 08:49 PM	#42
mannyb Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3	ive been training mma for about 9 months now for fun n i never trained legs a day in my life. mostly jus running n skipping rope for cardio. but i recently joined a BJJ class n to tell u the truth my legs r so weak. man, do i regret that. so yes i do legs. i dont go heavy i jus do more reps. dont listen to ken shamrock! he sucks. he jus a stand up guy. now days u gotta be able to stand n roll if it comes to that.
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05-03-2008, 08:51 PM	#43
danny81 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,282	^^^^ummm no. hes more of a grappler.
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05-03-2008, 10:13 PM	#46
danny81 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,282	Lol not that easy I dont want to look like a bitch ya digz?
danny81 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 4,282	http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/on...preciated.html Aiyyo it's off with his head/Cock the lead redecorate the crib burgandy red

05-03-2008, 07:25 PM	#33
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 204	Ok I thought that's what you was getting at, just wanted clarity!! I thought you was saying you can do both, and if that was possible I wanted to know. I think Sean Sherk is one of the closest fighters I have seen combine bulk and athletism. I was trying to tell danny81, to stay away from bodybuilder type training if his goals are to be a fighter cause like you said they are different focus. That is why I tend to stay away from things I feel will slow me down or hurt endurance. What I got from your post is if it is incorporated properly it could be done. So how would you recommend incorporating things like the squat and deadlift into training that requires so much leg work Daily?

05-03-2008, 07:27 PM	#35
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 204	Nevermind, I reread what you said and understood it. I said something similar. Try it out and see what works for you!! 100%agree!! lol

05-03-2008, 07:42 PM	#37
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 204	Got you, I was basing my opinion of some of the normal training with MMA. Boxing one day, Wrestling and Grappling the next. Or a split of boxing in the morning and the other in the evening every other day. So I would say what about 3 times a week. I guess you could work in weights the other two days.

05-03-2008, 07:52 PM	#39
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 204	Ok, also it was hard for me to figure leg days in because I was doing MMA training and I was in the Army at the same time. I would run anywhere from 4-10 miles in the morning almost everyday of the week, one day would be 6-12 mile roadmarch. Then in the evening I would go to the gym and do my drills. That was about 5 days a week. THATS ALOT ON THE LEGS!!! After the runs and stuff I did my push ups und crunches. Sometimes the mornings were changed up to some sprints or Fartlic (sp?) runs but rarely! I can't base mine off his, but when I was training it was hard on the knees and legs!

05-03-2008, 08:06 PM	#41
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 204	LOL I didn't mean literally!!! lol But thats good to toughen your hands especially if you want to go to Vale Tudo (sp?) but I meant don't get so worked up over comments, because anyone who fights breaks something!! GOOD LUCK!!!

05-03-2008, 09:20 PM	#45
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 204	mannyb youve been doing MMA for 9 months and just now getting into a BJJ class????That would have been one of the first things i did!! but i did BJJ for 6 years. loved it, but haven't found a gym with in distance from where i am. so fell off about 2 years ago! and danny you need to fix the anger if you want to be a fighter (pro) they will get in your head they want you mad and you will make a mistake!!!

05-03-2008, 11:08 PM	#47
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 204	Ok a question you can ask "Am I a Badass or do I just want to look like one?" Trust me not easy, but I know I can win why do I have to prove it? If you think you can whoop my ass put your money where your mouth is!! Get it?

05-03-2008, 11:09 PM	#48
P-funk Patrick Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: AZ Posts: 30,136	Don't waste your time with Danny. it will get you no where. that is why i wont help him out anymore and answer his stupid threads.
	http://pwtraining.blogspot.com/.....come and see what is on my mind! http://ivonneberkowitz.blogspot.com/....check out Ivonne's new blog! Optimum Sports Performance "In the beginners mind there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." -Buddha's Little Instruction Book

05-03-2008, 11:16 PM	#49
CORUM Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 204	Ok P-Funk, guess some know and some think they know!! Danny I guess I will be done with this thread, but I will tell you one day you will KNOW. Good Luck, with the fight game!!

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