I need some encouragment!!!!

TYLER_DURDEN · 05-03-2008, 12:51 AM

I started my first REAL cutting cycle (no gear) and caloric deficit diet about four weeks ago and it is kicking my ass. Here is my diet. I follow it to a 't':

8:00 a.m.
24-32 oz water and dailey dose of creatine

1 hour cardio

9:00 a.m.
20 oz protein shake
300 calories

10:00 a.m.
Breakfast 4-5 egg whites
3 servings vegetables of any kind (cooked with eggs as omelette)
175 calories

1 hour free gym

12:00 p.m.
20 oz complex-carbohydrate drink
2 bananas
24-32 oz water
280 calories

2:00 p.m. Lunch 20 oz complex-carbohydrate drink
40 grams (g) protein either chicken or fish)
4 servings vegetables
400-425 calories

3:00 p.m.
1 banana or 1 serving grapes
80 calories

4:00 p.m.
24-32 oz water
10 oz complex-carbohydrate drink
200 calories

6:00 p.m. Dinner
40 g protein (one serving of either chicken, fish,or beef)
4 servings vegetables
10 oz complex-carbohydrate drink
24-32 oz water
400-425 calories

9:00-10:00 p.m.
1 banana
20 oz protein shake
250 calories

TOTAL CALORIES: 2,000-2,500

During the the last two weeks (and the following four) I am eating a tablespoon of peanut butter with each banana, eating a handful of almonds, an taking a protein shake with essaintail fats so as to keep my calories from fat at around 30% versus the 10% from weeks 1-2 and weeks 7-9.

I am at 5' 10" 200lbs ith 18% BF right now. My bulking phase went very well (I avoided the urge for gear once again). But I gotta say, I am flat out dying sometimes in the gym. I feel like I don't even wanna be there at first, but it soon passes once the pump kicks in. I'll get back with results after week 6 is completed.

**Built** · 05-03-2008, 12:58 AM

Okay, what is your workout currently and what are your maintenance calories?

juggernaut · 05-03-2008, 01:59 PM

Try this and drink 1 gallon water every day:

8:00 a.m.
Breakfast 1-2 whole eggs, 3 egg whites
3 servings vegetables of any kind (cooked with eggs as omelette)
need carbs-Old Fashioned oats; 1/2 cup

weight training THEN
1/2 hour cardio

10:00 a.m.
3 tbsp dextrose for glycemic spike OR old fashioned oats again with a banana
use whey instead-20-30g
24-32 oz water
creatine

1:00 p.m. Lunch
40 grams (g) protein either chicken or fish)
4 servings vegetables

3pm
eat a handful of nuts, peferrably almonds or walnuts, for fats

6:00 p.m.
24-32 oz water
eat meat, chicken, fish
green vegetables
salad with oil and vinegar

9:00 p.m.
casein drink with a tbsp of cottage cheese
tbsp of peanut butter (natural)

Axe the carb drinks-they're stupid and convert to fat.

**Built** · 05-03-2008, 02:06 PM

All excess calories will convert to fat. I agree with ditching the carb drinks though - on a cut, I much prefer to chew my food.

juggernaut · 05-03-2008, 02:22 PM

hey built, when I changed my scoops of protein to actual food, it amazed me how much of a difference it makes. I thinik that is one of the best pieces of advice anyone can get. I also think whey is way overrated as a food staple. I'd rather eat and be full.

**Built** · 05-03-2008, 02:24 PM

Honestly, it is SO MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE to feel full at least a few times a day when I'm cutting. Why blow it on a shake when you can eat a steak?

juggernaut · 05-03-2008, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Built

Honestly, it is SO MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE to feel full at least a few times a day when I'm cutting. Why blow it on a shake when you can eat a steak?

shakes do nothing for me when dieting. I drink one-and it has the same output as a steak protein/grams wise...but damn what a difference!

TYLER_DURDEN · 05-04-2008, 12:43 AM

I've had my maintenance calories calculted a few times on different sites and different people I saught advice from. The general consensus is apx. 2,600 cal, so that is what I am working off of.

As far as cardio, running is what I am mainly doing. But doing that for an hour every day gets dull, so I ad in wind sprints, jumping rope, the eliptical machine... something that will keep me reach my target heart rate and burn extra energy for an hour a day.

As far as weight training, I am doing something a bit new to me called pre-exhaustion lifting. I'm sure most of you guys that have been around longer than me know the proper name of more over, know more about it than me. Basically what you do is focus on one body part in the first portion of the day followed by a second in the evening (i.e. biceps on Monday morning and triceps that night, thighs on Tuesday and calves in the evening, back on wednsday morning and shoulders in the evening... ect.

The first excersice is executed in 7 sets. The first two are are the pre-exhuastion portion with very light weight until failure, followed by the actual excersice with apx 60-70% or your max lift until failure. Ontop of which is added an additional excersise for a superset (i.e. If I were doing chest, I would do wide grip BP with 145lbs [feet on bench for chest focus] in the form of two sets till exhaustion. The very next set would consist of me lifting 185lbs to exhuastion [same principle as before] and immediatly jumping to the ground and doing wide push-ups with my feet on the bench and hands holding my push-up stand thingies.

I may sound a little out there, but to be honest it's got me excited. After I finish it up, I'll post the results. But like I said, the toughest hurdle is the having NO ENERGY most times. I'd like to have a steak too, but I am in Iraq for the fourth fucking time and supplies on things like tha are hard to come by. The chicken and tunafish I eat are from the little Tyson and Starkist bags people use for cooking or salads.

I am not overwhelmed with the C.Crb drink so much, but I do want to finish this 9 week run and see whats what with it.

The absolute worst part is watching some of the hard earned gains go.

**Built** · 05-04-2008, 12:53 AM

Okay, you may not have heard of this, and I know the way you're cutting is pretty standard in most old-school circles, but are you interested in a very different approach - something that's less work and more likely to help you maintain hour size while you lean out and harden up?

Read this to start: TESTOSTERONE NATION - Ripped, Rugged, and Dense

I cut this way, with less than half the cardio you are doing and I found it extremely effective.

On a cut, a high-volume bodypart split will wear you out and you'll lose size to be sure. But if you do at least some of your training in more of a powerlifter style - heavy compounds in low rep ranges, movement patterns rather than bodyparts - you'll find you'll keep your size better.

Most do anyway.

Have a peek.

TYLER_DURDEN · 05-04-2008, 09:21 AM

I've had my maintenance calories calculted a few times on different sites and different people I saught advice from. The general consensus is apx. 2,600 cal, so that is what I am working off of.

As far as cardio, running is what I am mainly doing. But doing that for an hour every day gets dull, so I ad in wind sprints, jumping rope, the eliptical machine... something that will keep me reach my target heart rate and burn extra energy for an hour a day.

As far as weight training, I am doing something a bit new to me called pre-exhaustion lifting. I'm sure most of you guys that have been around longer than me know the proper name of more over, know more about it than me. Basically what you do is focus on one body part in the first portion of the day followed by a second in the evening (i.e. biceps on Monday morning and triceps that night, thighs on Tuesday and calves in the evening, back on wednsday morning and shoulders in the evening... ect.

The first excersice is executed in 7 sets. The first two are are the pre-exhuastion portion with very light weight until failure, followed by the actual excersice with apx 60-70% or your max lift until failure. Ontop of which is added an additional excersise for a superset (i.e. If I were doing chest, I would do wide grip BP with 145lbs [feet on bench for chest focus] in the form of two sets till exhaustion. The very next set would consist of me lifting 185lbs to exhuastion [same principle as before] and immediatly jumping to the ground and doing wide push-ups with my feet on the bench and hands holding my push-up stand thingies.

I may sound a little out there, but to be honest it's got me excited. After I finish it up, I'll post the results. But like I said, the toughest hurdle is the having NO ENERGY most times. I'd like to have a steak too, but I am in Iraq for the fourth fucking time and supplies on things like tha are hard to come by. The chicken and tunafish I eat are from the little Tyson and Starkist bags people use for cooking or salads.

I am not overwhelmed with the C.Crb drink so much, but I do want to finish this 9 week run and see whats what with it.

The absolute worst part is watching some of the hard earned gains go.

05-03-2008, 12:51 AM	#1
TYLER_DURDEN Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Texas orginally Posts: 9 Photos: 2	I need some encouragment!!!! BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com I started my first REAL cutting cycle (no gear) and caloric deficit diet about four weeks ago and it is kicking my ass. Here is my diet. I follow it to a 't': 8:00 a.m. 24-32 oz water and dailey dose of creatine 1 hour cardio 9:00 a.m. 20 oz protein shake 300 calories 10:00 a.m. Breakfast 4-5 egg whites 3 servings vegetables of any kind (cooked with eggs as omelette) 175 calories 1 hour free gym 12:00 p.m. 20 oz complex-carbohydrate drink 2 bananas 24-32 oz water 280 calories 2:00 p.m. Lunch 20 oz complex-carbohydrate drink 40 grams (g) protein either chicken or fish) 4 servings vegetables 400-425 calories 3:00 p.m. 1 banana or 1 serving grapes 80 calories 4:00 p.m. 24-32 oz water 10 oz complex-carbohydrate drink 200 calories 6:00 p.m. Dinner 40 g protein (one serving of either chicken, fish,or beef) 4 servings vegetables 10 oz complex-carbohydrate drink 24-32 oz water 400-425 calories 9:00-10:00 p.m. 1 banana 20 oz protein shake 250 calories TOTAL CALORIES: 2,000-2,500 During the the last two weeks (and the following four) I am eating a tablespoon of peanut butter with each banana, eating a handful of almonds, an taking a protein shake with essaintail fats so as to keep my calories from fat at around 30% versus the 10% from weeks 1-2 and weeks 7-9. I am at 5' 10" 200lbs ith 18% BF right now. My bulking phase went very well (I avoided the urge for gear once again). But I gotta say, I am flat out dying sometimes in the gym. I feel like I don't even wanna be there at first, but it soon passes once the pump kicks in. I'll get back with results after week 6 is completed.

05-03-2008, 01:59 PM	#3
juggernaut Hijacker of Threads Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 4,011 Photos: 2	Try this and drink 1 gallon water every day: 8:00 a.m. Breakfast 1-2 whole eggs, 3 egg whites 3 servings vegetables of any kind (cooked with eggs as omelette) need carbs-Old Fashioned oats; 1/2 cup weight training THEN 1/2 hour cardio 10:00 a.m. 3 tbsp dextrose for glycemic spike OR old fashioned oats again with a banana use whey instead-20-30g 24-32 oz water creatine 1:00 p.m. Lunch 40 grams (g) protein either chicken or fish) 4 servings vegetables 3pm eat a handful of nuts, peferrably almonds or walnuts, for fats 6:00 p.m. 24-32 oz water eat meat, chicken, fish green vegetables salad with oil and vinegar 9:00 p.m. casein drink with a tbsp of cottage cheese tbsp of peanut butter (natural) Axe the carb drinks-they're stupid and convert to fat.
	Eat well, train daily, die anyway.

05-03-2008, 02:22 PM	#5
juggernaut Hijacker of Threads Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Mars Posts: 4,011 Photos: 2	hey built, when I changed my scoops of protein to actual food, it amazed me how much of a difference it makes. I thinik that is one of the best pieces of advice anyone can get. I also think whey is way overrated as a food staple. I'd rather eat and be full.
	Eat well, train daily, die anyway.

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05-03-2008, 12:58 AM	#2
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 716	Okay, what is your workout currently and what are your maintenance calories?

05-03-2008, 02:06 PM	#4
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 716	All excess calories will convert to fat. I agree with ditching the carb drinks though - on a cut, I much prefer to chew my food.

05-03-2008, 02:24 PM	#6
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 716	Honestly, it is SO MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE to feel full at least a few times a day when I'm cutting. Why blow it on a shake when you can eat a steak?

05-04-2008, 12:43 AM	#8
TYLER_DURDEN Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Texas orginally Posts: 9 Photos: 2	I've had my maintenance calories calculted a few times on different sites and different people I saught advice from. The general consensus is apx. 2,600 cal, so that is what I am working off of. As far as cardio, running is what I am mainly doing. But doing that for an hour every day gets dull, so I ad in wind sprints, jumping rope, the eliptical machine... something that will keep me reach my target heart rate and burn extra energy for an hour a day. As far as weight training, I am doing something a bit new to me called pre-exhaustion lifting. I'm sure most of you guys that have been around longer than me know the proper name of more over, know more about it than me. Basically what you do is focus on one body part in the first portion of the day followed by a second in the evening (i.e. biceps on Monday morning and triceps that night, thighs on Tuesday and calves in the evening, back on wednsday morning and shoulders in the evening... ect. The first excersice is executed in 7 sets. The first two are are the pre-exhuastion portion with very light weight until failure, followed by the actual excersice with apx 60-70% or your max lift until failure. Ontop of which is added an additional excersise for a superset (i.e. If I were doing chest, I would do wide grip BP with 145lbs [feet on bench for chest focus] in the form of two sets till exhaustion. The very next set would consist of me lifting 185lbs to exhuastion [same principle as before] and immediatly jumping to the ground and doing wide push-ups with my feet on the bench and hands holding my push-up stand thingies. I may sound a little out there, but to be honest it's got me excited. After I finish it up, I'll post the results. But like I said, the toughest hurdle is the having NO ENERGY most times. I'd like to have a steak too, but I am in Iraq for the fourth fucking time and supplies on things like tha are hard to come by. The chicken and tunafish I eat are from the little Tyson and Starkist bags people use for cooking or salads. I am not overwhelmed with the C.Crb drink so much, but I do want to finish this 9 week run and see whats what with it. The absolute worst part is watching some of the hard earned gains go.

05-04-2008, 12:53 AM	#9
Built Bioidentical Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: . Posts: 716	Okay, you may not have heard of this, and I know the way you're cutting is pretty standard in most old-school circles, but are you interested in a very different approach - something that's less work and more likely to help you maintain hour size while you lean out and harden up? Read this to start: TESTOSTERONE NATION - Ripped, Rugged, and Dense I cut this way, with less than half the cardio you are doing and I found it extremely effective. On a cut, a high-volume bodypart split will wear you out and you'll lose size to be sure. But if you do at least some of your training in more of a powerlifter style - heavy compounds in low rep ranges, movement patterns rather than bodyparts - you'll find you'll keep your size better. Most do anyway. Have a peek.

05-04-2008, 09:21 AM	#10
TYLER_DURDEN Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Texas orginally Posts: 9 Photos: 2	I've had my maintenance calories calculted a few times on different sites and different people I saught advice from. The general consensus is apx. 2,600 cal, so that is what I am working off of. As far as cardio, running is what I am mainly doing. But doing that for an hour every day gets dull, so I ad in wind sprints, jumping rope, the eliptical machine... something that will keep me reach my target heart rate and burn extra energy for an hour a day. As far as weight training, I am doing something a bit new to me called pre-exhaustion lifting. I'm sure most of you guys that have been around longer than me know the proper name of more over, know more about it than me. Basically what you do is focus on one body part in the first portion of the day followed by a second in the evening (i.e. biceps on Monday morning and triceps that night, thighs on Tuesday and calves in the evening, back on wednsday morning and shoulders in the evening... ect. The first excersice is executed in 7 sets. The first two are are the pre-exhuastion portion with very light weight until failure, followed by the actual excersice with apx 60-70% or your max lift until failure. Ontop of which is added an additional excersise for a superset (i.e. If I were doing chest, I would do wide grip BP with 145lbs [feet on bench for chest focus] in the form of two sets till exhaustion. The very next set would consist of me lifting 185lbs to exhuastion [same principle as before] and immediatly jumping to the ground and doing wide push-ups with my feet on the bench and hands holding my push-up stand thingies. I may sound a little out there, but to be honest it's got me excited. After I finish it up, I'll post the results. But like I said, the toughest hurdle is the having NO ENERGY most times. I'd like to have a steak too, but I am in Iraq for the fourth fucking time and supplies on things like tha are hard to come by. The chicken and tunafish I eat are from the little Tyson and Starkist bags people use for cooking or salads. I am not overwhelmed with the C.Crb drink so much, but I do want to finish this 9 week run and see whats what with it. The absolute worst part is watching some of the hard earned gains go.