Any reason to do this?

**GOtriSports** · 11-12-2008, 02:41 PM

I saw some guys at the gym on their last set of EZ bar curls doing something interesting today. Instead of curling like normal the guy doing the set would start in the upright position while his gym buddy would pull down on the bar for a 5 count. In this time the guy doing the set just tried his hardest to keep the weight up. They did sets of 10 at 5 seconds on the pull down each. Any specific benefit to doing this?

**Built** · 11-12-2008, 02:49 PM

Painfully obvious, but I'll ask anyway: did you ask these guys the same question?

**P-funk** · 11-12-2008, 04:05 PM

manual resisted upright rows?

sounds like genius to me!!

patrick

**Built** · 11-12-2008, 04:25 PM

They don't sound like upright rows. Buddy's got the bar at the "top" of the curl position, and the other buddy is pulling the barbell down, while the bicep is in the flexed position.

**P-funk** · 11-12-2008, 04:28 PM

oh. i read "upright position" and thought it said upright row position.

so they are doing manually resisted eccentric biceps curls.

**Built** · 11-12-2008, 04:34 PM

Yes.

Can you see any benefit to doing these as part of a periodized program?

**P-funk** · 11-12-2008, 05:10 PM

I don't know. I have never used them. I mean, it is just overloaded eccentrics. I have done it with a barbell loaded to a weight greater than I can curl and then I have a spotter assist me in lifting it into position and slowly lower it down. It is the same concept, just with manual resistance.

**Built** · 11-12-2008, 05:24 PM

I like overloading eccentrics, but I tend to look for ways to do this myself, since I rarely train with a partner.

Hence my use of self-assisted negative chins.

Thanks Patrick.

**GOtriSports** · 11-12-2008, 06:10 PM

Thanks for the discussion you two, I found it very interesting =)

**Ben dur** · 11-12-2008, 06:27 PM

ive heard alot of people call this "negatives"

it sounds like your describing an eccentric curl

where they use weight they can get up, but the partner manually (anti spots) pulls the weight down

**Gazhole** · 11-13-2008, 04:04 AM

Eccentrics can be beneficial but i dunno how good manual resistance would be.

A - Its hard to guage and record, so progression could be a bit sketchy.

B - Its probably not going to be the same throughout each rep/set because of being human, and no doubt the guy adding the resistance will get fatigued aswel.

C - You need another person to do it

**Merkaba** · 11-13-2008, 03:07 PM

Sounds like some crap from a magazine or ESPN-8 workout show.

Plus they probably look "gay" doing it.

Biceps and bench blasts....big type A male shit.

**Ben dur** · 11-13-2008, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Merkaba

Sounds like some crap from a magazine or ESPN-8 workout show.

Plus they probably look "gay" doing it.

Biceps and bench blasts....big type A male shit.

agreed

probably straight outa a "blast your biceps" workout

they undoubtedly did bench press next

**Merkaba** · 11-13-2008, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Ben dur

agreed

probably straight outa a "blast your biceps" workout

they undoubtedly did bench press next

Oh I'm willing to bet my left nut that they did chest at some point that day and didnt squat the whole week, or maybe a couple of sets of splots in the smith machine.

**Ben dur** · 11-14-2008, 07:38 AM

leg press with way too much weight
for sure

cheating (hands on the knees)

**CowPimp** · 11-15-2008, 11:14 AM

Heavy negatives can, theoretically, be a good way to spark some hypertrophy. It's something to try. Perhaps you should incorporate it yourself and track progress with a measuring tape on the arm?

**PreMier** · 11-15-2008, 01:24 PM

i have done them(back when i had a training partner), like cp said heavy negatives can be beneficial. now on my last set i will do a slow count down for the last few reps. i 'feel' like it helps my arm workout.. but hey, its subjective.

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