Thread: Cardio every working out day??

Originally Posted by Built

Morning cardio might tap into fat, but big deal?

We store and retrieve fat all day. If you burn 20g of fat in the AM, but store 40g of fat later on, you're no further ahead. Ultimately it's a balance of calories.

Yep, but if you compare someone who takes in 3000 kals and does some cardio against someone who takes in 3000 kals and does zero cardio, the person who does cardio will be better off.

Also, I think you can burn more than 20g fat during AM cardio - for example in a 45-60 min session. I recently went from 20%+ bodyfat to 5% bodyfat keeping my calories intake higher and doing plenty of cardio (last 6 weeks I was doing 5 miles every morning). I didnt notice any loss in muscle or strength.

Originally Posted by Lobo2009

Yep, but if you compare someone who takes in 3000 kals and does some cardio against someone who takes in 3000 kals and does zero cardio, the person who does cardio will be better off.

Better off in terms of what? Lean gains...? Hmm, no

Originally Posted by Moondogg

Better off in terms of what? Lean gains...? Hmm, no

Irrespective of the number of calories someone takes in? I dont see your reasoning here.

Originally Posted by Lobo2009

Irrespective of the number of calories someone takes in? I dont see your reasoning here.

Bud, you are hard work.

We have been talking about cardio helping with lean gains the whole time. I then explained to you how it doesnt help with lean gains. And to be honest I dont really know what you talking about anymore.

Oh, and if you didnt lose any muscle while running 5 miles every morning you have the best genetics I have ever heard of.

Originally Posted by Built

Morning cardio might tap into fat, but big deal?

We store and retrieve fat all day. If you burn 20g of fat in the AM, but store 40g of fat later on, you're no further ahead. Ultimately it's a balance of calories.

Originally Posted by Lobo2009

Yep, but if you compare someone who takes in 3000 kals and does some cardio against someone who takes in 3000 kals and does zero cardio, the person who does cardio will be better off.

For the record, again, I'm not saying "do no cardio, ever, motherfucker", okay? LOL

If 3000 calories is maintenance

• the one doing cardio will lose weight (muscle and fat)

If 3000 calories is a surplus

• the one doing cardio will gain less weight than the one doing cardio

If 3000 calories is a deficit

• the one doing cardio will lose more weight (muscle and fat)

Originally Posted by Lobo2009

Also, I think you can burn more than 20g fat during AM cardio - for example in a 45-60 min session. I recently went from 20%+ bodyfat to 5% bodyfat keeping my calories intake higher and doing plenty of cardio (last 6 weeks I was doing 5 miles every morning). I didnt notice any loss in muscle or strength.

Try doing this in 15 years. Let me know how well it works. You're male and you're young. LOTS of muscle-protecting testosterone there, lots of lipolysis-inducing GH, and maintenance calories that are high enough that you can run a reasonable deficit without stressing your body too much.

You would have enjoyed the same or better results with less cardio and a tighter diet - a method that will work for you now AND in 15 years.

Originally Posted by Moondogg

Better off in terms of what? Lean gains...? Hmm, no

Originally Posted by Lobo2009

Irrespective of the number of calories someone takes in? I dont see your reasoning here.

Originally Posted by Moondogg

Bud, you are hard work.

We have been talking about cardio helping with lean gains the whole time. I then explained to you how it doesnt help with lean gains. And to be honest I dont really know what you talking about anymore.

Oh, and if you didnt lose any muscle while running 5 miles every morning you have the best genetics I have ever heard of.

In a deficit, it's important to realize that ever-increasing levels of activity with nothing (read: no AAS) to protect lean mass, you'll drop muscle, flat out.

In a surplus, it's less risky. Now - there is a limit to how much muscle you'll put on in a caloric surplus - ANY caloric surplus. Eat more than you need for these gains, you'll get fat.

If you don't want this, eat a little less over maintenance, or burn off a little of the surplus. Either way will work.

Lobo - if you LIKE eating like a horse and doing lots of cardio rather than eating a little over maintenance and just doing a small amount of cardio for your heart, go for it - if it works and it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just be prepared for a time in your life when this approach no longer works. And don't try to recommend it to an older person or a woman - we don't have enough testosterone to protect our lean mass.

What do you make of Berardi's ideas about G-Flux?

Originally Posted by Lobo2009

What do you make of Berardi's ideas about G-Flux?

eat more and do more.

the concept makes sense except for the fact that people have no clue on how to regulate training volume and how much to eat and when to STOP eating. people read that crap and interpret it as work out like a maniac everyday and eat like a pig...which is not right.

also, he is saying that general population people should do this because elite athletes do this....frequent training, etc.....the problem is that elite athletes ONLY do that. It is their job! That is their investment. Most people have jobs, and other stressors that make the idea not applicable in their own situation...and they don;t have the luxory of a coach or trainer who understands how to modulate volume and intensity to help prevent them from over training and beating their body into a pulp.

patrick

What do you make of the DC training philosophy? 3 days intense weight training, 4 days morning cardio and a deloading phase every 8-12 weeks to facilitate CNS recovery.