Limited results...

BenJones84 · 07-30-2002, 04:58 PM

Hi! I'm new to this forum. I've been reading threads here for a while. I've been seriously working out for about two months now. I take Creatine Phosphagen daily and protein after my workouts. So far I've gained about 15 pounds. That puts me up to 170. I'm not sure if it matters or not, but I'm 5'10. I've been moving up in weight in virtually all excersises I do except for bench. During my daily routine, I normally work my chest, bicepts, tricepts, shoulders, back, and abs. I don't really focus much on my legs. I run at least once every two days. Sometimes every day. I work out on bench at 135 and I'm stuck there. I try moving up, but I can't handle the weight. I'm looking for more excersises or possibly supplements to help get my strength up. I've finally found a hobby, but I'm afraid I'm stuck! Please reply.. Any help is very appreciated!

Scotty the Body · 07-30-2002, 05:02 PM

Stop working each muscle every day. Its probably why your not going up in chest.
Your muscles need time to recover, work them once a week, you can work smaller ones more often but I wouldn't bother.

What are you doing for chest workouts now? Sets and reps as well.

WELCOME TO IM!!!

BenJones84 · 07-30-2002, 05:16 PM

Thanks for the welcome! My workouts are on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. I'm not even doing that many reps at 135. I normally do 4-5 sets. In the first set, I normally get 6 by myself. From there it goes down. On the last set I normally do three total... one by myself. I'm still not quite sure as to what machines work which muscles so I'll just name all the excersises I do. Of course I do bench, a tricept arm extension, a bicept machine, occasionally I do the millitary press, the butterfly machine, this one machine where I pull straight down right in front of my face, a back bull kind of thing (I sit upright and pull down right next to my shoulder, and then a row machine. I normally finish off by working my abs.

david · 07-30-2002, 08:36 PM

How many days do you work out? Including cardio if any?

KataMaStEr · 07-30-2002, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by davidjasondean
How many days do you work out? Including cardio if any?

Quote:

Originally posted by BenJones84
My workouts are on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. .

**Prince** · 07-30-2002, 08:43 PM

are you saying that you work each body part everyday, if not post your routine.

meathead · 07-30-2002, 09:20 PM

ben, it seems like 135 might be too heavy at this time for you. muscles "learn" by doing repetitive movements. if you only end up doing one rep by yourself then you are not working your chest muscle enough. try to go down to a weight where you can reach 6-8 reps by yourself consistently and add weight as you progress. you should see better results. also, try to do three different exercises for each muscle group. and as STB mentioned above, you should not work every muscle everytime you workout.

david · 07-30-2002, 10:13 PM

thnx Kata, I guess I drank too much Clen! LOL!

Freeman · 07-31-2002, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by meathead
ben, it seems like 135 might be too heavy at this time for you. muscles "learn" by doing repetitive movements. if you only end up doing one rep by yourself then you are not working your chest muscle enough. try to go down to a weight where you can reach 6-8 reps by yourself consistently and add weight as you progress. you should see better results. also, try to do three different exercises for each muscle group. and as STB mentioned above, you should not work every muscle everytime you workout.

TRUE! Listen to da man, he be preachin' da gospel. Don't worry about not getting a lot of weight up and looking "weak". Who cares? I'm in a similar boat, not nearly as strong on chest as I'd like. I don't know if this is true, but I heard that running can affect chest development. A guy at my gym (ex-army) who is really buff told me that if I keep running I'll have a real hard time developing a stronger chest. Something to do with all the heavy breathing and lungs and shite. Maybe consider that?? I stopped running altogether so I could put on more muslce. Just started, I'll let ya'll know how it's going!

Just be patient and keep at it.

Scotty the Body · 07-31-2002, 11:37 AM

How is your tri and shoulder strength? i wonder if they arn't whats holding your chest back cause at 170lb, you should be doing better than 135.

TriZZle305 · 07-31-2002, 01:10 PM

how old are you?

LAM · 07-31-2002, 01:50 PM

that is a lot of exercise between the weight training and running. no doubt you caloric intake is insufficient for your activity level.

check your diet !

BenJones84 · 08-01-2002, 09:47 AM

Alright... Fist, I want to thank everyone for their help. I'm going to try all the things suggested. I'll try and answer all the questions. Every week I've been working out on a Monday, Wednesday, Friday basis. I run on Tuesday and Thursday nights. I have been working each muscle every day. After one of those first posts that told me I shouldn't be doing that, last night I just did my chest and arms. Should I work a different muscle group every day? If so, what would be the best way to break that up into 3 days a week? I think meathead might be right about the weight being too much. I'm going to drop it down a little bit and work out with that. Does it really take longer than every other day for muscles to rebuild themselves? I'm 18 and I've got a pretty good metabolism, I think. I've been running to tone down and lose some of the baby fat. I've heard of people taking ripped fuel for the sole purpose of that. I'm not sure if that's reccomended or not. I know this sounds silly, but is caloric intake how many calories I take in? How many should I be taking in? I've been trying to follow the 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight thing. I'm not sure if you follow by that. Thanks alot for anymore replies. You guys are really helping me out!

Freeman · 08-01-2002, 10:06 AM

I would do Chest/Tris on Monday

Back/bis/shoulders on Wednesday

Legs on Friday. Legs are a killer and if you train them right, you'll be totally exhausted. I always devote one day JUST to legs. You can split it however really. Others might have different opinions, but I would recommend allowing one day just for legs.

Yeah, you should allow plenty of time for recovery. I lift 4 days a week. Mon- chest/tris Tuesday - back/bis Thurs. - legs and Friday - shoulders. saturday and sunday - rest. i

if you do it properly, you'll feel sore and tired the next day after you workouts. Also, EAT! Eat a lot and eat right. most important! caloric intake is how many calories you take in. If you eat properly and lift properly, the calories will take care of themselves. Muscle building requires mucho muncho!

I would quit cardio altogether, but that's just me. It's a lot easier to put on muscle w/o doing any cardio. If you must, do it 3 days at most no more than 30minutes a time. I did that, and I still couldn't gain the damn muscle weight. So I cut it out totally. If you're metabolism is so high, you don't need any ripped fuel crap. Plus when you start putting on muscle, your metabolism will increase. Muscle are constantly burning junk, even while resting. the more muscle, the more burn you get!

most imporatnt, stay positive!

TriZZle305 · 08-01-2002, 10:24 AM

I work each muscle everyday... it depends on how much you work the muscle... i work each muscle every day however im working them at roughly the same volume per week as everyone else

BenJones84 · 08-01-2002, 08:16 PM

So how would I burn off a little baby fat I have if I'm not working out? How is the best way to increase my caloric intake? Should I just go crazy with candy bars?

BenJones84 · 08-01-2002, 08:16 PM

Sorry about that... I meant to substitute running for working out

LrdViperScrpion · 08-01-2002, 08:29 PM

I'll let the experts handle this one, but I will say that if you're looking to make gains, and worried about fat, you don't wanna go near candy bars. You should be eating tons of CLEAN, natural food. Also, if you wanna burn off body fat and make gains, it would probably be best to do one then the other, like bulk, then cut, rather than both at the same time.

07-30-2002, 04:58 PM	#1
BenJones84 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5	Limited results... Hi! I'm new to this forum. I've been reading threads here for a while. I've been seriously working out for about two months now. I take Creatine Phosphagen daily and protein after my workouts. So far I've gained about 15 pounds. That puts me up to 170. I'm not sure if it matters or not, but I'm 5'10. I've been moving up in weight in virtually all excersises I do except for bench. During my daily routine, I normally work my chest, bicepts, tricepts, shoulders, back, and abs. I don't really focus much on my legs. I run at least once every two days. Sometimes every day. I work out on bench at 135 and I'm stuck there. I try moving up, but I can't handle the weight. I'm looking for more excersises or possibly supplements to help get my strength up. I've finally found a hobby, but I'm afraid I'm stuck! Please reply.. Any help is very appreciated!

07-30-2002, 05:02 PM	#2
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	Stop working each muscle every day. Its probably why your not going up in chest. Your muscles need time to recover, work them once a week, you can work smaller ones more often but I wouldn't bother. What are you doing for chest workouts now? Sets and reps as well. WELCOME TO IM!!!
	Cool

07-30-2002, 08:43 PM	#6
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,721 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	are you saying that you work each body part everyday, if not post your routine.
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07-31-2002, 11:37 AM	#10
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	How is your tri and shoulder strength? i wonder if they arn't whats holding your chest back cause at 170lb, you should be doing better than 135.
	Cool

07-31-2002, 01:10 PM	#11
TriZZle305 Go Away Body Fat Elite Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 809 Photos: 8	how old are you?
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07-30-2002, 05:16 PM	#3
BenJones84 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5	Thanks for the welcome! My workouts are on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. I'm not even doing that many reps at 135. I normally do 4-5 sets. In the first set, I normally get 6 by myself. From there it goes down. On the last set I normally do three total... one by myself. I'm still not quite sure as to what machines work which muscles so I'll just name all the excersises I do. Of course I do bench, a tricept arm extension, a bicept machine, occasionally I do the millitary press, the butterfly machine, this one machine where I pull straight down right in front of my face, a back bull kind of thing (I sit upright and pull down right next to my shoulder, and then a row machine. I normally finish off by working my abs.

07-30-2002, 08:36 PM	#4
david EAST COAST BRAT Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waterworld, FL Posts: 25,419 Photos: 2	How many days do you work out? Including cardio if any?

07-30-2002, 09:20 PM	#7
meathead Member Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 80	ben, it seems like 135 might be too heavy at this time for you. muscles "learn" by doing repetitive movements. if you only end up doing one rep by yourself then you are not working your chest muscle enough. try to go down to a weight where you can reach 6-8 reps by yourself consistently and add weight as you progress. you should see better results. also, try to do three different exercises for each muscle group. and as STB mentioned above, you should not work every muscle everytime you workout.

07-30-2002, 10:13 PM	#8
david EAST COAST BRAT Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waterworld, FL Posts: 25,419 Photos: 2	thnx Kata, I guess I drank too much Clen! LOL!

07-31-2002, 01:50 PM	#12
LAM Gym ratt/Part-time pimp Join Date: May 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 7,384 Photos: 2	that is a lot of exercise between the weight training and running. no doubt you caloric intake is insufficient for your activity level. check your diet !
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08-01-2002, 09:47 AM	#13
BenJones84 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5	Alright... Fist, I want to thank everyone for their help. I'm going to try all the things suggested. I'll try and answer all the questions. Every week I've been working out on a Monday, Wednesday, Friday basis. I run on Tuesday and Thursday nights. I have been working each muscle every day. After one of those first posts that told me I shouldn't be doing that, last night I just did my chest and arms. Should I work a different muscle group every day? If so, what would be the best way to break that up into 3 days a week? I think meathead might be right about the weight being too much. I'm going to drop it down a little bit and work out with that. Does it really take longer than every other day for muscles to rebuild themselves? I'm 18 and I've got a pretty good metabolism, I think. I've been running to tone down and lose some of the baby fat. I've heard of people taking ripped fuel for the sole purpose of that. I'm not sure if that's reccomended or not. I know this sounds silly, but is caloric intake how many calories I take in? How many should I be taking in? I've been trying to follow the 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight thing. I'm not sure if you follow by that. Thanks alot for anymore replies. You guys are really helping me out!

08-01-2002, 10:06 AM	#14
Freeman Bearded Attacker Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,648 Photos: 8	I would do Chest/Tris on Monday Back/bis/shoulders on Wednesday Legs on Friday. Legs are a killer and if you train them right, you'll be totally exhausted. I always devote one day JUST to legs. You can split it however really. Others might have different opinions, but I would recommend allowing one day just for legs. Yeah, you should allow plenty of time for recovery. I lift 4 days a week. Mon- chest/tris Tuesday - back/bis Thurs. - legs and Friday - shoulders. saturday and sunday - rest. i if you do it properly, you'll feel sore and tired the next day after you workouts. Also, EAT! Eat a lot and eat right. most important! caloric intake is how many calories you take in. If you eat properly and lift properly, the calories will take care of themselves. Muscle building requires mucho muncho! I would quit cardio altogether, but that's just me. It's a lot easier to put on muscle w/o doing any cardio. If you must, do it 3 days at most no more than 30minutes a time. I did that, and I still couldn't gain the damn muscle weight. So I cut it out totally. If you're metabolism is so high, you don't need any ripped fuel crap. Plus when you start putting on muscle, your metabolism will increase. Muscle are constantly burning junk, even while resting. the more muscle, the more burn you get! most imporatnt, stay positive!
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08-01-2002, 10:24 AM	#15
TriZZle305 Go Away Body Fat Elite Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 809 Photos: 8	I work each muscle everyday... it depends on how much you work the muscle... i work each muscle every day however im working them at roughly the same volume per week as everyone else
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08-01-2002, 08:16 PM	#16
BenJones84 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 5	So how would I burn off a little baby fat I have if I'm not working out? How is the best way to increase my caloric intake? Should I just go crazy with candy bars?

08-01-2002, 08:29 PM	#18
LrdViperScrpion John Mayer? Yes please. Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: TX Posts: 220	I'll let the experts handle this one, but I will say that if you're looking to make gains, and worried about fat, you don't wanna go near candy bars. You should be eating tons of CLEAN, natural food. Also, if you wanna burn off body fat and make gains, it would probably be best to do one then the other, like bulk, then cut, rather than both at the same time.

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