Thread: newbie needs some guidance!!!

this is the training forum, if you want diet and supplement advice post individual threads in the appropriate forum please.

You're not gonna get mass and strength while cutting and "toning" ....whatever toning is.

You want to get bigger, stay the same, or get smaller? Pick one.

Originally Posted by Merkaba

You're not gonna get mass and strength while cutting and "toning" ....whatever toning is.

You want to get bigger, stay the same, or get smaller? Pick one.

Dude this is the second time you have tried to be a smartass Merkada. Can you read? I said initially i was burning fat and shaping up, now I want to go a different route. I thought I made it pretty clear. Do all of the new people a favor and don't reply if your just trying to make someone look stupid. Go back and check my reply in the supplement thread if you need a refresher.



Price: I have posted in the appropriate areas starting in supplements, but I didnt get any helpful info, especially from merkada. I am new and am simply trying to get helpful advice in all areas. The best info I got was simply reading one of your posts. Also it clearly says post questions as it pertains to muscle building on the training forum.

okay, so pertaining to "weight training" what is your question in this forum?

What direction do I need to go in my workout now for gaining? I assume heavier weights less reps. If I am working out with heavier weights how many reps should I be able to do for it to be a productive workout.
Offhand, what sort of diet would accompany this?

There was nothing wrong with Merk's post. He was trying to get more information out of you in terms of which direction you want to go. This is a bodybuilding forum, not a free personal trainer service. If you have specific questions, which clearly show you have done research before hand, you will get plenty of responses. If you ask ''how do I gain, what diet should I eat?'' you wont get shit.

To summarise, dont be so lazy, do some reading and dont flame other posters who are far more knowledgeable than you and are trying to help.

Originally Posted by Floorguy

Dude this is the second time you have tried to be a smartass Merkada. Can you read? I said initially i was burning fat and shaping up, now I want to go a different route. I thought I made it pretty clear. Do all of the new people a favor and don't reply if your just trying to make someone look stupid. Go back and check my reply in the supplement thread if you need a refresher.



Price: I have posted in the appropriate areas starting in supplements, but I didnt get any helpful info, especially from merkada. I am new and am simply trying to get helpful advice in all areas. The best info I got was simply reading one of your posts. Also it clearly says post questions as it pertains to muscle building on the training forum.

What was so smartassed about this post? You should've saw it before I edited it! lol...I figured you would have something to say.
I'm sorry man I can't read well. I tell ya what, I'll work on my reading if you work on your spelling? Deal?
Plus, anyone who does bench, says they don't need squats, and puts back in the "extra" category needs to be shocked a little, regardless if youre a newbie or not. It will help you remember!

I would take a while and do some more reading. You said you were eating 600 calories a day for fat loss.

Now take some of this rage that you're building up and go do squats. As Prince asked and as I not so eloquently asked, what do you want to do? Have you read any of the stickies? Or do you just want someone to make you up a workout with reps and weights and lift it for you too? haha...sorry man I can't help it on this one.

If you want to get bigger you eat 20% or so over your maintenance and lift heavy. Compound movements like Bench(yay for you!) including dumbbells, rows, pullups,squats, deadlifts. Squats and deadlifts are the kings and queens of the castle. Do them extra light while you get form down. There are variations if you can't do the standards. Since you've been doing some screwed up dieting I take it you don't have an idea of what your maintenance level is? This is how much you need to eat to stay at a given weight. This involves tracking calories and weight. If you have no clue I'd shoot for 3000 calories for a while and track your progress. Minimum of 1 gram of protein per lb of lean body mass. Keep good fats up. Rice, oats, lean meats, not so lean meats, lots of veggies, ...and for me, anything else to keep my calories up. You will need to put your body in a storing configuration, so you will gain some fat as well, who knows how much since you've been starving your body. Most normal active men probably should seldom eat below 2000 calories unless youre doing a planned fasting or modified fasting.

Originally Posted by Moondogg

There was nothing wrong with Merk's post. He was trying to get more information out of you in terms of which direction you want to go. This is a bodybuilding forum, not a free personal trainer service. If you have specific questions, which clearly show you have done research before hand, you will get plenty of responses. If you ask ''how do I gain, what diet should I eat?'' you wont get shit.

To summarise, dont be so lazy, do some reading and dont flame other posters who are far more knowledgeable than you and are trying to help.

I agree Moon. So many people want a personal training service. Fortunately people like Built get real close to providing it for so many people. I don't have the patience and rightfully so, most don't. I think its easier for her, as she's got links and knowledge and studies ready to drop. I agree that people get better responses when they show they've tried to do some research and get ideas and read and not rely on people putting time out to repeat and repeat what has already been said and probably posted up in a sticky for those curious enough to read, like they ask others if they read they're previous response. The question becomes, HAVE YOU READ THE OTHER PREVIOUS RESPONSES BEFORE YOU?

To be fair, I did kinda jump the guy, but like I said, sometimes its needed as far as I'm concerned. Toughen up and take your shots.

that was relatively calm for Merkaba you should see some of his other posts

but listen to him he well help you out if you listen to him and ignore the smartass comments lol

Originally Posted by Ngordyn

that was relatively calm for Merkaba you should see some of his other posts

but listen to him he well help you out if you listen to him and ignore the smartass comments lol

well I've tried to calm down a bit as far as person to person goes, and not once will I give an indication that I know it all because there are some serious studies here, but when responding to a common misconceived idea, or over-marketed supplement I tend to get real ....well hopefully "entertaining". But when people exhibit any degree of laziness on a fitness forum then I think they deserve to get chastised a least a little teeny weeny bit.

Exactly Merk, maybe we could get Built to make a stickie. Just with the general points:

Link to fitday
Track you cals, then find you maintenance cals.
Get at least 1g of protein per lb and at least 0.5g of fat per lb
+15-20% over/under maint. depending on whether you cutting or bulking
A simple push/pull/legs split
Listed rep ranges for a bulk and a cut
Some HIIT a couple of times a week, and maybe some creatine.


I know that all of this info can be found on the board, Builts blog and on P-funks blog (as well as many others), but if there was a stickie it should cut down all these repetitive threads. Then if a person has some specific questions specific related to their situation, it would be easier to help them out.

Sounds good...Reminds me I forgot my link to FitDay - Free Weight Loss and Diet Journal for ol' floorguy.

I have found the following most helpful on this forum. At the top of every page on this site, between the words "New Posts" and "Log Out" click on IronMagazine Bodybuilding Forum - Search Forums

Originally Posted by Moondogg

Exactly Merk, maybe we could get Built to make a stickie. Just with the general points:

Link to fitday
Track you cals, then find you maintenance cals.
Get at least 1g of protein per lb and at least 0.5g of fat per lb
+15-20% over/under maint. depending on whether you cutting or bulking
A simple push/pull/legs split
Listed rep ranges for a bulk and a cut
Some HIIT a couple of times a week, and maybe some creatine.


I know that all of this info can be found on the board, Builts blog and on P-funks blog (as well as many others), but if there was a stickie it should cut down all these repetitive threads. Then if a person has some specific questions specific related to their situation, it would be easier to help them out.

Ask, and you shall recieve... http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/ne...ml#post1867237

Originally Posted by Built

Ask, and you shall recieve... http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/ne...ml#post1867237

Excellent, even better than what I had in my head.

It was a good idea. Thank you for suggesting it.