Thread: Sore Knees

Okay, first up, stop the HIIT for a bit.

How do you do the HIIT, and what training do you do for your legs with weights? Also, how much do you weigh and how tall are you?

Age: 23
Height: 6'2
Starting Weight: 205lb's, roughly 13-18%BF depending on who or how I got measured
Currently: last time I checked 188lbs
Calories in a day: 2k on non carb days. 2.3k on carb days. I track it all on Fitday.
Cycling: 250mg/2week Test E., 75mg/2week Tren hex., .5mg arimidex ed., ECA 2 weeks on than 2 weeks of clen. I take 2g of taurine a day to help stop cramping.
I havent been training legs that often because I want to keep them fresh for running/cycling.

I've been doing a slow progress on the HIIT. I've got to the point where I warm up for 5min, stretch, go on the track and do 10-30sec sprints followed by 10-1min runs for a total of 15min. I follow this up with 10minutes of running on the treadmill at spead 6. It takes a lot of my willpower to do this though haha. I didnt plan on going any harder though as this already is very taxing and the results I'm getting are awesome.

OOoookay! I have a candidate for your problem: you may be suppressing too much estrogen. Tren AND adex - I'd talk to the fellas but that could be all there is to it.

(to those of you just tuning in, too little estrogen can cause inflammation in the joints - something you'll hear referred to as "drying out", although that's not quite right - but I understand it's what it feels like. You can read here for a better explanation of this problem: Deca, Winstrol and Your Joints by Anthony Roberts
Tren is a non-aromatizable steroid that acts as an aromatase inhibitor. Adex IS an aromatase inhibitor. Testosterone aromatizes, so it's a bit of a balancing act to get the right amount of estrogen, but not too much. Hopefully one of the AAS pros will pop in and confirm or correct what I've written here. )

What kind of stretching do you do pre HIIT - static and slow, or dynamic?

Hey Built, I have thought about lowering the arimidex to .25mg a day to see what effects this will have. Personally though I think its just that the HIIT is putting a lot of strain on my legs. When I finish doing it they are completely exhausted. My normal 7 minute walk home takes atleast twice that.

I do the warm up as my dynamic stretching than do one type of slow static stretch for my calves, hamstrings, and quads.

P.S. Do you want to write my stats final for me today, its 45% of my grade

May you can try running on the grass of a soccer/football field to take some pressure off the knees. Make sure the field is level though. Check your shoes. Maybe your wearing the wrong kind for you foot type. I had special orthotics made to help me with my knee issue. I had a prontation problem on my left foot and it would cause knee pains. Never bothered me until I got in my mid 20's.

LikeARock, my money's still on the Adex. You're warming up and stretching correctly. Why not try backing off the Adex and ditching the sprints for a week - they give 'em another go? OH, and up the fish oil. If you're not already taking it, I suggest 10g daily. jigga's got a good point, too, and that would be the next place I'd look if backing off for a week and reducing the inhibitor doesn't help.

Rock, what's your reason for taking the adex? Do you have a history of gyno or are you being extremely cautious?

That cycle is the exact cycle I was on when I tore my elbow up, minus the adex. All my joints felt like those of a 70 year old.

What's your history with tren? For that matter what's your history with AAS?

I will not run an inhibitor during cycle for the very reason you're describing. Although, I have no issues with gyno and I'm much older than you so my joints don't like me very much.

Answer the above questions but it seems Built is on the right track here.

If you are in fact prone to gyno then maybe reduce the adex for a bit and see how you respond.

I've done one 11 week cycle of 500mg/week Test. E.

This is my first time with Tren and I have to say I'm Lovin' it.

When I did the first Test cycle I had mad water retention, it was really noticable in my face. I'm cutting now though so I wanted to go for as hard a look as possible and from everything I've read I felt that 0.5mg of Adex wouldnt be harmful although it might be excessive. I'll lower it to .25mg/day and see how that goes.

Originally Posted by LikeARock

I've done one 11 week cycle of 500mg/week Test. E.

This is my first time with Tren and I have to say I'm Lovin' it.

When I did the first Test cycle I had mad water retention, it was really noticable in my face. I'm cutting now though so I wanted to go for as hard a look as possible and from everything I've read I felt that 0.5mg of Adex wouldnt be harmful although it might be excessive. I'll lower it to .25mg/day and see how that goes.

A couple of things should be addressed here. This is going to sound like a father preaching to his son but oh well.

Why in the world would you be jumping on the tren after only one cycle? Do you have any clue what your tendons and connective tissues look and feel like right now? You may feel strong as a bull but one wrong move, excessive rep, grunt, fart etc and you'll have a major injury on your hands!

Yes, you're dry as a bone and causing stress to all of your joints. The adex is only worsening that fact. If there's no medical reason to take it, I would cut it out.

Tren is no joke. I know many who will never touch it again because of injury. Sure when I was on it I felt like Superman, Wolverine, and Freddy Krueger (don't get me started let's just say I'm weird and be done with it) combined. It however brought me to my knees. It took 6 months before I was able to train again.

Your first cycle was perfect for a first run. This one however is completely horrible for a second cycle.

Well largepkg, Test E. and Tren. were all that were available to me so I took it. As far as my lifting goes I use proper form and havent done anything crazy excessive because I am trying to cut. Like I said its only my knees that are sore the next day from HIIT, everything else is fine. And I havent been treating any of this like a joke anyways, I realize messing with my HPTA is some serious business.

HPTA aside brother. Tren is some serious shit and should only be used by the very experienced. Personally even then its not worth it but to each their own.

Don't mean to jump on your shit but man I wish you didn't start taking the tren.

I hope you're taking HCG on this cycle brother. The tren is shutting you down hard. Your boys are gonna think they're girls at the end of this cycle without it.