Thread: Has anyone tried PHENABOL 100 - 100mg/ml 10ml/vial alchemia????

I haven't tried that yet, but I did ask Z about it a while back for some feedback on it, And he said it is very nice, and strong!

Originally Posted by OldSchoolLifter

I haven't tried that yet, but I did ask Z about it a while back for some feedback on it, And he said it is very nice, and strong!

Nice im excited!!!!! To bad I had only bought one of the them and the rest Z-Line, but hey if it's that good I'll pick up some more!!!! lol

I was thinking about getting some of that as well make sure to post your feedback I want to know how it is

Not yet - but you know I'm always looking to add another tool to the war-chest of gear!

Originally Posted by RICKDAYTONA

I was thinking about getting some of that as well make sure to post your feedback I want to know how it is

Will do bro!!! I'm really excited about trying Prop,as I have only used it one other time and I think it was bunk and it hurt like hell lmao!!!! But everything that I have recieved from Z has been spot on and better,so no worries just impatient lol!!!!

Originally Posted by Repo

Not yet - but you know I'm always looking to add another tool to the war-chest of gear!

I hear ya man!!! Great minds think alike don't they. But man I still have 2 months to touch it, and I will have my whole cycle within the next 3 weeks tops, so it's kinda sucks a little bit lmao!!!!But hey this will be my last PCT!!!!! I was hoping trying these Peps would make it a little more interesting, as it would be a trial and mentally make me feel as if I were on. Now I am hearing it's going to cause GH bleeding and Prolactin problems, so I'm kind of down about it bro. DatBtrue is saying CJC-1295(w/o dac) isn't even Mod GRF-(1-29)!!!!!! I don't know what to do man???? I just got scammed and good thing I have injected because it would had been a damn waste anyway!!!! WTF I am really pisserd about that bro and the companies should let us know about the dac and no dac altercaton befor we buy!!!! Here is the exact quote DatBtrue said to me when I asked him that question on his forum....

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There is no such thing as CJC-1295 w/o Dac. It is a made up term. CJC is an acronym for the company that made the drug affinity complex (DAC). They are bankrupt because the DAC turned out to be a bad idea yet people keep clinging to it. Remove the DAC from CJC-1295 and you do not end up with the equivalent of Mod GRF(1-29).

If there were such a thing CJC-1295 w/o Dac would have an added lysine which is unstable. When it is quickly cleaved in plasma it removes the "assumed" terminal cap and the protein degrades. So if you really have CJC-1295 w/o Dac then it is worthless.

I have said that so many times that I am tired of it.

Of course if you really don't have CJC-1295 w/o Dac then you bought from a company that is a fraud. If you bought from a fraudulent company then please don't report your usage here.

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In the process of making CJC-1295, the lysine is added to Mod GRF(1-29) so you end up with Mod GRF(1-29) + Lysine. This is done because the lysine is capable of linking to the Drug Affinity Complex while the Mod GRF(1-29) is not. Lysine as an intermediary is called a "linker".

You can't just glue drugs onto protein chains. In order to add a DAC you need that intervening lysine linker. The DAC then ends up "sheltering" and protecting the vulnerable lysine. That is CJC-1295. Start saying CJC-1295 w/o DAC and you are left with a lysine linker w/ no protection from enzymatic degradation that the large DAC use to give.

If you must visualize it think of the DAC as a scab. Remove it and the wound will bleed. Actually remove the DAC and the underlying peptide will bleed apart.

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Originally Posted by BillFuel
I spoke to a company [edited] and they said that their cjc 1293 is Mod GRF 1-29



I have stickies specifically on this What CJC-1288 & 1293 are not

To reiterate the CJC means it has an extra lysine + the Drug. So CJC-1293 would have the extra lysine + the drug. In addition the 1293 peptide part does not have the 4 amino acid substitutions Mod GRF(1-29) has.

I have come to lack respect for the continual buyers of injectable bullshit. I have to struggle to keep those sorts of people off the board because I want to respect all the members here.



and the CJC 1295 no DAC is more like Hexarelin.


CJC-1295 is in the GHRH category. While Hex is in the GHRP category. No one who sells something you inject should make such a mistake.


I asked why they did not name them as they should be and they said that the names were not as important as the amino sequence and most people were more familiar with CJC so that is how they label it.


What happens is that 95% of these places ONLY care about how cheaply they can acquire material that they can put a label on. So the Chinese they buy from fulfill that requirement by providing something freeze-dried and then fraudulent paperwork. In this way 95% of the retailers can say with a semi-straight face that what is in that vial is xxxxxxx amino acid sequence w/ xxxx purity, etc. But the paperwork was phony from the start and it will be the next time as well.

Who is to blame? Well the Chinese could produce and purify to a high standard but it would cost more. 95% of retailers want to compete on cost so quality is never an option. Anytime you see peptides sold cheaply you can be sure the product is not quality.

The most interesting thing is people believe them.


It all just sounds like a bunch of BS to me and if they are just making up names for marketing, what other BS are they doing? It is just better to stear clear of the cjc sellers and buy from a quality source like the one offered on this forum.

I think the problem why this keeps coming up is: by the time people find this forum they have already purchased peptides from someplace else. They start reading all of the primers (hopefully) and then they are just trying to figure out if what they bought is usable.


You are probably right Bill and I try to be patient in explaining because those people are people that care about their health and are people I will always find the energy to help.

However there are others that don't fall in that category and it is a struggle to distinguish between the two. I want the former group to be members here but the latter group just exhaust me.

If this is not acceptable and breaks the rules someone please edit or delete!!!, as I don't want to cause problems!!!!! I just want to get down to the truth on this and see what peoples ideas and theorys are. Im always learning something new and I have been helped by others postings such things as this, so I thought maybe I would throw this out there and put it up for discussion. So Z-Team lets get to buisness and see what we can find out and do about this problemo!!!! But hey we have to before next week because it's sitting in my fridge waiting for me to use and now I am afraid to lmao!!!!