Thread: What do you think?

I've used both on a couple occasions, it's hard to really confirm whether or not it works because the effects don't manifest for several months down the road. Am I bigger in the areas I pinned now compared to before? Yeah.... But is it from the peptides? I don't know

Oh cause I was thinking about giving the DES igf a try to see how it was but I had questions about this cycle, like if I wanted to only get my tris up for example would I only inject them once a week on the day I do tris?

Mike Arnold knows his shit. I trust what he says(most of the time lol)

Originally Posted by bigbenj

Mike Arnold knows his shit. I trust what he says(most of the time lol)

Haha the article sounds awesome I just had questions about it and wanted to se how other peoples experiences were.

Originally Posted by ItsMrGreen

Haha the article sounds awesome I just had questions about it and wanted to se how other peoples experiences were.

Yeah for DES u would just pin on training days, but with pegmgf you would pin several times in the triceps throughout the week

Originally Posted by Movin_weight

Yeah for DES u would just pin on training days, but with pegmgf you would pin several times in the triceps throughout the week

Yeah I would probably do DES and spot inject chest,quads,and tris cause those are slacking for me

Originally Posted by bigbenj

Mike Arnold knows his shit. I trust what he says(all of the time lol)

Edited for truth.

Originally Posted by Mike Arnold

Edited for truth.

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Originally Posted by Movin_weight

I've used both on a couple occasions, it's hard to really confirm whether or not it works because the effects don't manifest for several months down the road. Am I bigger in the areas I pinned now compared to before? Yeah.... But is it from the peptides? I don't know

What sometimes makes circumstances like these difficult to assess is the fact that "many" peptide companies do not sell propelry formulated DES. When it's not properly made, it is NOT real DES and therefore, it won't work like DES. More than one company was shown to have not have ANY DES in their vials when tested.

Also, while you are correct that it will takes time to see effects, it should not take months to begin to see changes. Many guys who have used high qaulity peps properly have noticed increases in growth within just a couple weeks. For example, high doses of non-pegyated MGF injected daily into any muscle will cause a near immediate increase in size. A user from another board gained 1/2 inch on his arms in 3 weeks using only MGF in this fashion. That is impressive. Previously, he knew little about these drugs and had never used them before.

In the article I wrote here, I designed the program using only low-moderate doses...and I did not include everything which could've been included because I did not want to discourage users into thinking that they would not see results if they didn't use high dosages of several compounds.

While the program in the article is no doubt effective, as proven by countless users who've implemented similar programs worldwide, there are even more effective, but also more expensive programs.

Originally Posted by ItsMrGreen

Oh cause I was thinking about giving the DES igf a try to see how it was but I had questions about this cycle, like if I wanted to only get my tris up for example would I only inject them once a week on the day I do tris?

No....you should use DES every day. DES has a very short half-life of only about 1 hour, so daily injects are far superior to once weekly injects. It is unlikely you would notice much of an improvment by injecting DES at normal dosages only once per week.

On the day you do tris, you would want to pin them about 5 minutes before you train, so the compound is active during your training session. On non-tricep days, you can use the DES anytime, but you still need to pin the tris. Any time your're using a peptide which has local effects, every inject you do should go into that muscle. You should not be injecting several different muscles only once per week.

You will get substantially better results by including some MGF...either PEG MGF or regular MGF. If it is PEG MGF, you will want to inject about twice weekly at 200-300 mcg per inject, into the muscle you want to bring up. While PEG MGF does have systematic effects, it still exerts a larger percentage of its effects into the injected muscle. If your using MGF, then daily injects are best.

However, keep in mind that IGF-1 has a much stronger binding afinity than MGF, so you do NOT want to inject MGF while any IGF-1 is still active in the system or the MGF will be prevented from attaching to the receptor site (MGF attaches to the IGF-1 receptor, as it does not have its own receptor).

Being that DES only has about an hour long half-life and MGF is only about 5 minutes, there is plenty of time throughout the day to avoid overlap between the two. Both PEG MGF and MGF are relatively inexpensive, so their inclusion into your program is a wise idea.

Originally Posted by Mike Arnold

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lol. Good to see you here

Originally Posted by Mike Arnold

No....you should use DES every day. DES has a very short half-life of only about 1 hour, so daily injects are far superior to once weekly injects. It is unlikely you would notice much of an improvment by injecting DES at normal dosages only once per week.

On the day you do tris, you would want to pin them about 5 minutes before you train, so the compound is active during your training session. On non-tricep days, you can use the DES anytime, but you still need to pin the tris. Any time your're using a peptide which has local effects, every inject you do should go into that muscle. You should not be injecting several different muscles only once per week.

You will get substantially better results by including some MGF...either PEG MGF or regular MGF. If it is PEG MGF, you will want to inject about twice weekly at 200-300 mcg per inject, into the muscle you want to bring up. While PEG MGF does have systematic effects, it still exerts a larger percentage of its effects into the injected muscle. If your using MGF, then daily injects are best.

However, keep in mind that IGF-1 has a much stronger binding afinity than MGF, so you do NOT want to inject MGF while any IGF-1 is still active in the system or the MGF will be prevented from attaching to the receptor site (MGF attaches to the IGF-1 receptor, as it does not have its own receptor).

Being that DES only has about an hour long half-life and MGF is only about 5 minutes, there is plenty of time throughout the day to avoid overlap between the two. Both PEG MGF and MGF are relatively inexpensive, so their inclusion into your program is a wise idea.

Oh because I remember reading about how it doesnt spread throughout the body or something like that it just sits in that area so I figured I would just inject into that muscle group as many times as I work it out per a week.

Originally Posted by Mike Arnold

What sometimes makes circumstances like these difficult to assess is the fact that "many" peptide companies do not sell propelry formulated DES. When it's not properly made, it is NOT real DES and therefore, it won't work like DES. More than one company was shown to have not have ANY DES in their vials when tested.

Also, while you are correct that it will takes time to see effects, it should not take months to begin to see changes. Many guys who have used high qaulity peps properly have noticed increases in growth within just a couple weeks. For example, high doses of non-pegyated MGF injected daily into any muscle will cause a near immediate increase in size. A user from another board gained 1/2 inch on his arms in 3 weeks using only MGF in this fashion. That is impressive. Previously, he knew little about these drugs and had never used them before.

In the article I wrote here, I designed the program using only low-moderate doses...and I did not include everything which could've been included because I did not want to discourage users into thinking that they would not see results if they didn't use high dosages of several compounds.

While the program in the article is no doubt effective, as proven by countless users who've implemented similar programs worldwide, there are even more effective, but also more expensive programs.

PEGMGF definately appeared to give site growth immediately.. I had notable increases in the areas pinned, however it seemed to be more of a swelling effect that dissapated somewhat after discontinued use. Still some interesting compounds though that I plan on researching again in the near future.

Good Read though, and appreciate the input... Are you aware of any legit DES on the market currently?

Originally Posted by ItsMrGreen

Oh because I remember reading about how it doesnt spread throughout the body or something like that it just sits in that area so I figured I would just inject into that muscle group as many times as I work it out per a week.

You are correct, DES exerts most of its effects locally because it doesn't have much time to become systematic prior to it half-life expiring. However, once weekly injects of DES into the targeted muscle results in a relatively small amount of exposure time and therefore, won't cause significant local growth.

DES will work "any" time you inject it, whether it is a workout day or not. You may only work your tis once weekly, but every day you use DES on your tris, it will still result in further recovery & growth.

Originally Posted by bigbenj

lol. Good to see you here

You too.

Great info as always Mike-Thanks-OD