Thread: TREN and TEST?

200mg test and 350 tren, 350 mast.

Reason? You want the most powerful drug (tren) taking up all your androgen receptor sites. You are obviously cutting or re comping which doesn't require you to get huge.

It's all about finding what works best for you. BP has a good point about receptors. Seems like a lot of people now are challenging the idea of test always having to be higher than tren. Like I said, find out what works best for you. Some people love tren, and some hate it. I ran a small amount of it and loved the effects it had on my body, libido, and mental stability(or lack thereof)

I would run at least 200mg Test weekly with your Tren.

i have always had the best luck running more test than any other compound and thats also how i was trained to do it , but thats just me

I've run tren higher and lower but I liked it the most when I ran it 1:1 test tren with winny. I found I had no issues and got in very good shape.

IM knows it fo sho

i wouldnt run tren without test lower than 200 id do like 500 but thats me

If you've done well with tren in the past - then I would recommend running tren higher then test ... "for sure."

The reason is - both compounds are highly androgenic and compete for the same androgen receptor.

Therefor you wan't more of the dry clean mass gains from tren over the test.

Now let me say this - I wouldn't run test any lower that 200 - preferably 300 ... "and 400 or more with the tren."

I was running test at 750 and tren at 400...

... "once I discovered this - I gradually flip-floped test to 400 and tren to 800."

Once I did this the gains were much greater and the sides weren't any worse at all.

I just would not jump into this until you know how your body reacts to tren.

... "Have fun!"

Love tren, always had great results from it. Been reading alot about tren being higher than test for better results. Will definitely try next cycle!

Thanks a lot for the input guys. Sounds like there are a few ways to go at this. I've already ran test higher than tren before so this time I think I will go one for one ratio or buy more tren and go tren higher. I will have to make that decision shortly (when my dvds come) so I will follow up with the results. All the advice is much apreciated

Originally Posted by strategos14

Thanks a lot for the input guys. Sounds like there are a few ways to go at this. I've already ran test higher than tren before so this time I think I will go one for one ratio or buy more tren and go tren higher. I will have to make that decision shortly (when my dvds come) so I will follow up with the results. All the advice is much apreciated

That's kind of how I gradually flip-floped the dose - except my test was high
so I had to lower it while increasing the tren.

It's a little more of an investment by running tren higher - but after trying it I'll never go back to the old method.

Either way - you'll do great ... "please keep us posted."

Originally Posted by Repo

If you've done well with tren in the past - then I would recommend running tren higher then test ... "for sure."

The reason is - both compounds are highly androgenic and compete for the same androgen receptor.

Therefor you wan't more of the dry clean mass gains from tren over the test.

Now let me say this - I wouldn't run test any lower that 200 - preferably 300 ... "and 400 or more with the tren."

I was running test at 750 and tren at 400...

... "once I discovered this - I gradually flip-floped test to 400 and tren to 800."

Once I did this the gains were much greater and the sides weren't any worse at all.

I just would not jump into this until you know how your body reacts to tren.

... "Have fun!"

How would one know how their body reacts to tren without trying it?

I know I "regret" not doing a better first cycle but a lot of the vets make the claim of taking it slow to see how your body reacts to test by itself.
I like this approach because its easy to eliminate any issues in the future knowing the only thing Ive gotten from the test as a side was minor and I mean minor acne(im talking two - three pimples).

Now, how would I see how my body reacts to tren? Id really like to try this because its talked about highly, but as a second cycle its frowned upon unless you are JThom who is a sexy beast in the making(pure homo).

Always educating myself. If I dont ask, I wont know.

another question. do you think i should worry about caber or anything to combat prolactin gyno from the tren if i'm only dosing it at say 300mg to 400mg a week? i'm thinking of running test about 250mg a week, tren at 350ish mg a week, and mast at about 200mg a week. i have some winnys lying around so will probably pop two a day of those (10mg each) i haven't started this yet and i'm in to huge rush so getting extra serms or AI is not a big deal. i've just never used deca and the one other time i ran tren, it was a small dose (150mg a week) for like eight weeks and i did not have any issues besides sweating

Originally Posted by suprfast

How would one know how their body reacts to tren without trying it?

I know I "regret" not doing a better first cycle but a lot of the vets make the claim of taking it slow to see how your body reacts to test by itself.
I like this approach because its easy to eliminate any issues in the future knowing the only thing Ive gotten from the test as a side was minor and I mean minor acne(im talking two - three pimples).

Now, how would I see how my body reacts to tren? Id really like to try this because its talked about highly, but as a second cycle its frowned upon unless you are JThom who is a sexy beast in the making(pure homo).

Always educating myself. If I dont ask, I wont know.

No no - you are correct by taking it slow at first.

I always recommend starting with "only" test so you can see how your body reacts.

Let me answer your question by giving you something I've learned at an early age by one of my personal mentors...

... "always LEARN the rules - then BREAK them."

By that - I simply mean - learn everything about your craft (like your doing now) - and once you fully research and understand the subject - twist the rules for improvement -

Everyone said test had to be higher than tren - that was the rule.

Once you understand the fundamentals of testosterone and trenbolone - you will clearly see there are far greater advantages to running tren higher.

So why can't you use tren in your second cycle - people can say it's dumb - stupid - gay or whatever ... "what's the real reason?"

I would say the tren question really depends on your bodies condition - as in how long you've been lifting and so forth.

If someone has a long history of lifting with a solid frame - then tren on an early cycle becomes less relevant.

If you have a long history of lifting - I would recommend running only test for the first cycle.

Test and Dbol for the second.

Then test and tren (or deca) on the third.

You really don't know how you'll react to tren until you run it.

Some recommend tren-a as you can see the sides much quicker - however it seems people tend to get more sides from tren-a over tren-e ... "so it seems."

I started with tren-e at 400 and upped it to over 800 and ran this for MANY months - based on information from a VERY smart player in this game.

My sides were nothing more than night sweats - and like to fuck a lot ... "well maybe that part is normal?"

Let me also say - I'm healthy - strong - and have a high tolerance to whatever I put it through - so I can push myself with no worries at all ... "as do many of the people on this forum - you just need to know YOUR body."

Originally Posted by strategos14

another question. do you think i should worry about caber or anything to combat prolactin gyno from the tren if i'm only dosing it at say 300mg to 400mg a week? i'm thinking of running test about 250mg a week, tren at 350ish mg a week, and mast at about 200mg a week. i have some winnys lying around so will probably pop two a day of those (10mg each) i haven't started this yet and i'm in to huge rush so getting extra serms or AI is not a big deal. i've just never used deca and the one other time i ran tren, it was a small dose (150mg a week) for like eight weeks and i did not have any issues besides sweating

I ran Prami at first during my tren cycle and then decided I didn't need it - even at these very high doses.

I would keep Prami and Aromasin on hand and us if needed - I run Aromasin at .12 ed throughout my cycle.

Tren is my favorite but stay about 10ft away when I snap. That shit makes me crazy but the results are awesome. You'll know pretty quick on how your body takes it. Good luck and ebjoy

Originally Posted by juicebox0017

Tren is my favorite but stay about 10ft away when I snap. That shit makes me crazy but the results are awesome. You'll know pretty quick on how your body takes it. Good luck and ebjoy

You got that right...........10ft is not far enough-I don't even like to be on the phone with friends on tren !! I do not tolerate it well-but others do excellent as long as they understand it-Thanks-OD

Originally Posted by ordawg1

You got that right...........10ft is not far enough-I don't even like to be on the phone with friends on tren !! I do not tolerate it well-but others do excellent as long as they understand it-Thanks-OD

100% agreed. If I'm in a padded room for safety then im g2g. Never know till you try it.

That's what I hear...

Some people get more aggressive on tren.

I haven't had this happen to me - not at all ... "but everyone is different."

I might feel like I can run through a brick wall - but never tried it.

Originally Posted by Repo

No no - you are correct by taking it slow at first.

I always recommend starting with "only" test so you can see how your body reacts.

Let me answer your question by giving you something I've learned at an early age by one of my personal mentors...

... "always LEARN the rules - then BREAK them."

By that - I simply mean - learn everything about your craft (like your doing now) - and once you fully research and understand the subject - twist the rules for improvement -

Everyone said test had to be higher than tren - that was the rule.

Once you understand the fundamentals of testosterone and trenbolone - you will clearly see there are far greater advantages to running tren higher.

So why can't you use tren in your second cycle - people can say it's dumb - stupid - gay or whatever ... "what's the real reason?"

I would say the tren question really depends on your bodies condition - as in how long you've been lifting and so forth.

If someone has a long history of lifting with a solid frame - then tren on an early cycle becomes less relevant.

If you have a long history of lifting - I would recommend running only test for the first cycle.

Test and Dbol for the second.

Then test and tren (or deca) on the third.

You really don't know how you'll react to tren until you run it.

Some recommend tren-a as you can see the sides much quicker - however it seems people tend to get more sides from tren-a over tren-e ... "so it seems."

I started with tren-e at 400 and upped it to over 800 and ran this for MANY months - based on information from a VERY smart player in this game.

My sides were nothing more than night sweats - and like to fuck a lot ... "well maybe that part is normal?"

Let me also say - I'm healthy - strong - and have a high tolerance to whatever I put it through - so I can push myself with no worries at all ... "as do many of the people on this forum - you just need to know YOUR body."



I ran Prami at first during my tren cycle and then decided I didn't need it - even at these very high doses.

I would keep Prami and Aromasin on hand and us if needed - I run Aromasin at .12 ed throughout my cycle.

Great post Repo

My 1st Cycle, was Test and deca. Only 1cc of each. Second is Test and Tren (same 1cc of each). Much more aggresive, especially when driving, wanting to kill all the idiots on the road. But great results.

Originally Posted by surfvs

My 1st Cycle, was Test and deca. Only 1cc of each. Second is Test and Tren (same 1cc of each). Much more aggresive, especially when driving, wanting to kill all the idiots on the road. But great results.

Yep almost like it turns you bi polar.

well i just got my shit. as usual, fast as hell. all EP. tren e, mast, test e. i'm thinking over how to start this up. will post back on this thread occasionally with my experience. i'm drooling right now looking at this tren though. bombs away!!!!

Originally Posted by surfvs

My 1st Cycle, was Test and deca. Only 1cc of each. Second is Test and Tren (same 1cc of each). Much more aggresive, especially when driving, wanting to kill all the idiots on the road. But great results.

haha, well, I want to kill all the idiots driving even when not on tren..lol

Originally Posted by strategos14

well i just got my shit. as usual, fast as hell. all EP. tren e, mast, test e. i'm thinking over how to start this up. will post back on this thread occasionally with my experience. i'm drooling right now looking at this tren though. bombs away!!!!

Good for u man

well 3 weeks ago i was 212lbs (down 8lbs from august) and weak from not hardly being in the gym for near 3 months. this due to work and the weather and me being lazy after a summer of lifting pretty hard. been these last 2 weeks on ep test e (250mg a wk) tren e (300mg a wk) and mast (200 a wk) with 20mg winny a day. yesterday i weighed 218lbs. my top end strength has not increased but my mid workout strength has. meaning i already notice my muscles fatiguing at a slower rate allowing me work harder throughout my workouts. the ep cocktail is very smooth to inject as well. this is my first time with z's tren and although it is very early and i'm likely feeling more of the mast and winny at this point, i have no complaints at all. i have trouble sleeping and have nightmares a lot anyway, and as of the last two nights they have both gotten worse. nothing a little NyQuill can't handle

Originally Posted by PUMP_THAT

haha, well, I want to kill all the idiots driving even when not on tren..lol

Yea, me too! lol

been four weeks or so doing the cycle stated above. 221lbs now. top end strength is increasing on everything though i will admit that im not breaking any PB's or anything meaning that since i've been at least this strong and and about this heavy as little as 6 months ago, it's a little easier to get back to it. that being said, in five weeks i've went from 212lbs to 221lbs (at 6"2") and my 225 flat bench reps went from 13 to 20 (yes, touch the chest and lock it out). At four weeks of of this run, i am feeling great and i know from here on out the enanthate esters will be fully firing and i will see gains by the week. i plan to beat my 225 rep max (23) in a couple weeks and I'm confident i will. Thumbs up on Z's products yet again. Even at these small doses, im enjoying acceptable results with nearly no sides.(night sweats are about it)

Thanks for the update. Sounds like you are putting your work into your training and diet brother.