Thread: finishing things up, first cycle

I have exactly this much left. Your thoughts on the above.

Fuck it. I would pin it. Did your gains stop at 500mg a week?

Originally Posted by rage racing

Fuck it. I would pin it. Did your gains stop at 500mg a week?

I dont think I noticed any SIZE gain. Stayed around the same weight the whole time. I was a big guy to start with. 225lbs start, and roughly 220 right now. I know there has been a transformation ever so slightly.

I think that is what I am going to do though. Heavy's thread mentioned about increasing towards the end anyways..

Originally Posted by suprfast

I dont think I noticed any SIZE gain. Stayed around the same weight the whole time. I was a big guy to start with. 225lbs start, and roughly 220 right now. I know there has been a transformation ever so slightly.

I think that is what I am going to do though. Heavy's thread mentioned about increasing towards the end anyways..

I would up the dosage then.

1 gram per week at this point. Go big or go home....

damn no size gain? im using the same test as u and curretnly at 500mg a week (i might bump ut to 750 next week though) and im up 20+lbs i kicked up with DMZ but still =(

Originally Posted by sofargone561

damn no size gain? im using the same test as u and curretnly at 500mg a week (i might bump ut to 750 next week though) and im up 20+lbs i kicked up with DMZ but still =(

I guess it depends on what you started at. Im leaner, no doubt about that. Im stronger too. I was eating a lot of calories early on and my pants became almost impossible to fit in(size 36). I dialed back 500 calories and im still making gains, but personally didnt see anything in size differences. My wife thinks my arms are bigger. Forgot to measure but they are roughly 17" in the past. ill let you guys decide with my after pics.

Originally Posted by suprfast

I guess it depends on what you started at. Im leaner, no doubt about that. Im stronger too. I was eating a lot of calories early on and my pants became almost impossible to fit in(size 36). I dialed back 500 calories and im still making gains, but personally didnt see anything in size differences. My wife thinks my arms are bigger. Forgot to measure but they are roughly 17" in the past. ill let you guys decide with my after pics.

how tall are you? and yes it deffinatly does matter what you start at. i was not hue or ripped before i started so huge gains where expected by my. but if your a lean 220 or w.e. u said then maybe your starting to get to the point where 500mg of test just doesnt cut it and you need to up it and add some more compound or somthing.

Originally Posted by sofargone561

how tall are you? and yes it deffinatly does matter what you start at. i was not hue or ripped before i started so huge gains where expected by my. but if your a lean 220 or w.e. u said then maybe your starting to get to the point where 500mg of test just doesnt cut it and you need to up it and add some more compound or somthing.

5'9". I know I have a set of legs on me but im not lean by any means. 17-18% bf would be my guess. I have three pins left. 375mg+ each pin. Couldnt stretch to three 500

Might be interested in this if you have not read it yet....help avoiding test e plateau There is also a link in that thread to some great info posted by Heavy

Originally Posted by suprfast

5'9". I know I have a set of legs on me but im not lean by any means. 17-18% bf would be my guess. I have three pins left. 375mg+ each pin. Couldnt stretch to three 500

i started at id say 15-18% BF. right now s say im aroung 12. the goal is another 10lbs or so and uner 10% bf. i have about 8 weeks or so to do it. my legs are most of my muscle mass to is say. i get what you mean though. maybe you have grown but your losing some bf to so it doesnt look like you getting bigger but you are if that makes sense lmao. youll be straight bro. post some b4 after pics if you sdont mind. 375 should be gtg especially if thats all you got left ot do

Originally Posted by sofargone561

damn no size gain? im using the same test as u and curretnly at 500mg a week (i might bump ut to 750 next week though) and im up 20+lbs i kicked up with DMZ but still =(

bro ud be surprised how much water ur carrying with that dmz man, i took methadrol and put on like 15 lbs of water with an ai, ill be impressed if u can keep it, i started at 170 and went up to 195 on test c and methadrol

Originally Posted by antonoverlord

bro ud be surprised how much water ur carrying with that dmz man, i took methadrol and put on like 15 lbs of water with an ai, ill be impressed if u can keep it, i started at 170 and went up to 195 on test c and methadrol

I start at 188-189lbs and peakes at 217lbs. not im sitting at 215lbs but ive lost a lot of water weight. Im trying to cut a bit. I double my sauna times and started hitting cardio hard everyday. im adding 8 weeks anavar 100mg a day and 6 weeks dbol 30mg a week the last couple weeks of my cycle. so hopefully ill be able to get to where i want. I hope i keep a good amount of mucle though =/. but i was suprised at how much water wegith ive gained seriously. my face got fat as fuck to lmao

Originally Posted by antonoverlord

bro ud be surprised how much water ur carrying with that dmz man, i took methadrol and put on like 15 lbs of water with an ai, ill be impressed if u can keep it, i started at 170 and went up to 195 on test c and methadrol

I thought SDMZ was supposed to be pretty dry? I was told its like DBOL without the water weight.

Originally Posted by rage racing

I thought SDMZ was supposed to be pretty dry? I was told its like DBOL without the water weight.

its different from person to person. my friend took it right before me and his gains where dry as fuck but he did get a little gut. my gains where wet as fuck though. hell im not caomplianing im doing a bulk and its been a dirty one lmao but i guess eveeyrone sees difff gains i love dmz and would deff recomend it and run it agian

Originally Posted by sofargone561

its different from person to person. my friend took it right before me and his gains where dry as fuck but he did get a little gut. my gains where wet as fuck though. hell im not caomplianing im doing a bulk and its been a dirty one lmao but i guess eveeyrone sees difff gains i love dmz and would deff recomend it and run it agian

I only ask cause I will be running SDMZ up front and Dbol out back of a 12 week TestE cycle in a couple weeks.

Originally Posted by rage racing

I only ask cause I will be running SDMZ up front and Dbol out back of a 12 week TestE cycle in a couple weeks.

youll love it bro i promise. it is as good as they say. Im ran it up front and now im running var and dbol on the back end. I liked the dmz so much i almost thought of runninf it on the back end again but decided to switch it up

Originally Posted by suprfast

I dont think I noticed any SIZE gain. Stayed around the same weight the whole time. I was a big guy to start with. 225lbs start, and roughly 220 right now. I know there has been a transformation ever so slightly.

I think that is what I am going to do though. Heavy's thread mentioned about increasing towards the end anyways..

Heavys right, up it. I think everyone should start at 500 for first cycle to asses tolerance and sides, but i know in my case 500 will only lean me out and keep strength up. On a blast i grow at 1200mg a wk. Some people can run 500mg and grow like crazy, i can't and trust me i know how to eat and lift.

i keep fprgetting this is his frist cycle for some i felt like it wasnt i didnt read i guess im such a penis. 500mg is fine for first cycle. idk why you didnt grow =( i grew like a black cock on 500 and still am now. i guess everyone is differnt

Originally Posted by sofargone561

i keep fprgetting this is his frist cycle for some i felt like it wasnt i didnt read i guess im such a penis. 500mg is fine for first cycle. idk why you didnt grow =( i grew like a black cock on 500 and still am now. i guess everyone is differnt

He didn't run any orals... which would hide the possibility of his test being underdosed

Try running some z-line test w/out DMZ, dbol, and anavar and see how you like it

Originally Posted by suprfast

5'9". I know I have a set of legs on me but im not lean by any means. 17-18% bf would be my guess. I have three pins left. 375mg+ each pin. Couldnt stretch to three 500

Too bad you didn't do some body comp testing before so you could gauge what kind of gains you made.

Originally Posted by Movin_weight

He didn't run any orals... which would hide the possibility of his test being underdosed

Try running some z-line test w/out DMZ, dbol, and anavar and see how you like it

ehh i heard its knda under dosed. doesnt bother me tho. its gtg. it works and it gets here on time and ealry. customer serice is great. a litte underdiose i can handle for the benafits of everything else

Originally Posted by sofargone561

ehh i heard its knda under dosed. doesnt bother me tho. its gtg. it works and it gets here on time and ealry. customer serice is great. a litte underdiose i can handle for the benafits of everything else

not a little... night and day difference once making the switch. But for some, the ease and reliability w/ uncle z is enough

Originally Posted by Movin_weight

not a little... night and day difference once making the switch. But for some, the ease and reliability w/ uncle z is enough

im going to have to say that im part of that some. i gave another sponsor a try just becuase i really had no other choice. so far im pleased with there service. i havnt recieved my pack yet but it should be on its way. i wonder how there shit it. i love z and ill always be a customer. its just nice having other places to go with good gear and the same service! i wonder how underdosed it is? im making some pretty good gains. are you saying its bunk? i dont think that i do beleive it might be underdosed but deffintalty not bunk

Originally Posted by sofargone561

im going to have to say that im part of that some. i gave another sponsor a try just becuase i really had no other choice. so far im pleased with there service. i havnt recieved my pack yet but it should be on its way. i wonder how there shit it. i love z and ill always be a customer. its just nice having other places to go with good gear and the same service! i wonder how underdosed it is? im making some pretty good gains. are you saying its bunk? i dont think that i do beleive it might be underdosed but deffintalty not bunk

No not bunk, and it's impossible to speculate how much... but i felt like I was on cruising doses when running 600/week cyp, 600/week of EQ, and masteron.

But lets not clog up superfast's thread with this anymore

Originally Posted by Movin_weight

No not bunk, and it's impossible to speculate how much... but i felt like I was on cruising doses when running 600/week cyp, 600/week of EQ, and masteron.

But lets not clog up superfast's thread with this anymore

damn =( and yes lets stop

Damn it was just getting good too.

I walk into every situation skeptical. Within 12 weeks ive managed to stay about the same weight(leaner) and gain strength. Ive mentioned in my own log that I dont doubt I would have hit the numbers in lifts on my own, but I am pretty sure it sped things up. I have nothing negative to say about Z. Ive done only one cycle(hell I havent even finished) and I wasnt expecting to Hercules after this basic cycle. Ive read 100s of log, threads, etc... and everyone responds differently to different amounts.
I now know that 500mg per week is probably a tad on the low side for me. I wouldnt mind doing the same exact thing but higher, but we know next time will be with a kicker or three. I now know that I dont react much to mid level doses of T. I have a long time to workout new cycles and see what works great based on the vast knowledge of everyone here. I think the biggest mistakes are made by the people that want instant overnight results that are not willing to put in a few years of hard work.

Originally Posted by suprfast

Damn it was just getting good too.

I walk into every situation skeptical. Within 12 weeks ive managed to stay about the same weight(leaner) and gain strength. Ive mentioned in my own log that I dont doubt I would have hit the numbers in lifts on my own, but I am pretty sure it sped things up. I have nothing negative to say about Z. Ive done only one cycle(hell I havent even finished) and I wasnt expecting to Hercules after this basic cycle. Ive read 100s of log, threads, etc... and everyone responds differently to different amounts.
I now know that 500mg per week is probably a tad on the low side for me. I wouldnt mind doing the same exact thing but higher, but we know next time will be with a kicker or three. I now know that I dont react much to mid level doses of T. I have a long time to workout new cycles and see what works great based on the vast knowledge of everyone here. I think the biggest mistakes are made by the people that want instant overnight results that are not willing to put in a few years of hard work.

hahha i like the sound of that!