I had started a thread over at PHF to ask PA a question, which turned into more of a discussion/log, where I had spent a good amount of time posting some good information on GW-501516 (which I'm currently running with OstaRX) but it got trolled to death, and the mods refused to step up and directly tell people to knock it off. I have no tolerance for that kind of stuff, so I'm hoping that over here at IronMag I can have a drama-free thread.
Normally I wouldn't be so rude as to post a link to another forum, but I'm hoping it will be allowed for history/continuity of this log - http://www.prohormoneforum.com/index.php/topic/86412-strategic-use-of-gw-501516-while-cutting/ - If not, anyone interested can google "Strategic Use Of Gw-501516 While Cutting" and find the original thread over at PHF.
I'm going to attempt to continue this here as a log for those who are interested. To get it started I'm going to re-post my current supps. My original plan was 12 weeks of GW and 8 weeks of Osta RX, started at the same time, with the GW running into first 4 weeks of PCT. I've completed 3 weeks and am working my way into the 2nd week. I had only been back to the gym for a couple of weeks before starting the cycle, just to get some strength back before I started cutting.
Here's my current complete supplement list:
- GW - 20mg/day (1/0/0 - i.e. all in AM)
- Osta RX - 5 caps/day (2/2/1)
- PES Erase - 3 caps/day (1/1/1)
- ALCAR+ALA 400mg/200mg - 4 caps/day (2/2/0) (I think alcar keeps me up, so avoid in PM)
- Orange Triad - 6 tables (2/2/2)
- Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM Triple Strength (CVS) - 3 caps/day (1/1/1) - to add to what's in Orange Triad
- Olive Leaf Extract (previously described) - 6 caps/day (2/2/2)
- Garlic (previously described) - 6 caps/day (2/2/2)
- Celery Seed (previously described) - 3 caps/day (1/1/1)
- Theanine Serene (Source Naturals) - 3 caps/day (1/1/1)
- Carlson's Fish Oil - 1 Tablespoon/day w/ morning protein shake (serving is 1 teaspoon, so this is 3 servings, a TON of EPA/DHA)
- Food / Whey Shakes
Have some SAN Na-R-ALA and NOW ALCAR that will be replacing the Walmart ALCAR/ALA above when that runs out in a couple of days to up those dosages/quality a bit. Noting here that I need to add in more Calcium supplementation, and will throw in SAMe for liver (even tho osta isn't known to be toxic ) + other benefits.
I added the Erase, Olive Leaf, Garlic, Celery Seed and Theanine when my BP went very high, and normally just 1 Erase is all I can tolerate without joint pain so 3 Erase/day means to me I've got a lot more T around now, which is a good thing.
I came off a long break of inactivity and bad eating, so was definitely out of shape when I started about 3 weeks ago now. Here are some stats for changes since I started:
Starting weight: 267 - current 261 (down 6 lbs)
Waist - down 1 inch in last 2 weeks (didn't measure first week)
Arms - up 1/2 inch in last 2 weeks
Legs - up 1 inch in last 2 weeks
Here's a quote from the original thread where I talk about how I'm eating:
I've since added a small banana pre-workout for some extra carbs and potassium. Here's a brief description my workouts:
Currently working out 5x/week, have gravitated towards:
Su - legs/bis
M - chest
Tu - back
W - off
Th - Shoulders
F - Arms
Sa - off
This is a variation of what I would call the "Standard 5 day split" - chest, back, legs, shoulders, arms - but with a break in the middle as I find it tough to work out 5 days in a row on low carbs. I've been throwing in some additional work on bi's just because I've always felt that they've lagged for me, and they seem to recover quickly.
Also, as a final note in this intro, I'll mention that I'm loving the OstaRX, and almost want to run a 4th bottle, but I know that would be a bit much. That said, I'm tempted to throw in some low dose SD or Epi in my last 2 weeks if I feel I've made sufficient progress.
Anyhow, that should be enough to get things started, there's a ton of more detail in the original thread if anyone cares enough to read through it.
Normally I wouldn't be so rude as to post a link to another forum, but I'm hoping it will be allowed for history/continuity of this log - http://www.prohormoneforum.com/index.php/topic/86412-strategic-use-of-gw-501516-while-cutting/ - If not, anyone interested can google "Strategic Use Of Gw-501516 While Cutting" and find the original thread over at PHF.
I'm going to attempt to continue this here as a log for those who are interested. To get it started I'm going to re-post my current supps. My original plan was 12 weeks of GW and 8 weeks of Osta RX, started at the same time, with the GW running into first 4 weeks of PCT. I've completed 3 weeks and am working my way into the 2nd week. I had only been back to the gym for a couple of weeks before starting the cycle, just to get some strength back before I started cutting.
Here's my current complete supplement list:
- GW - 20mg/day (1/0/0 - i.e. all in AM)
- Osta RX - 5 caps/day (2/2/1)
- PES Erase - 3 caps/day (1/1/1)
- ALCAR+ALA 400mg/200mg - 4 caps/day (2/2/0) (I think alcar keeps me up, so avoid in PM)
- Orange Triad - 6 tables (2/2/2)
- Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM Triple Strength (CVS) - 3 caps/day (1/1/1) - to add to what's in Orange Triad
- Olive Leaf Extract (previously described) - 6 caps/day (2/2/2)
- Garlic (previously described) - 6 caps/day (2/2/2)
- Celery Seed (previously described) - 3 caps/day (1/1/1)
- Theanine Serene (Source Naturals) - 3 caps/day (1/1/1)
- Carlson's Fish Oil - 1 Tablespoon/day w/ morning protein shake (serving is 1 teaspoon, so this is 3 servings, a TON of EPA/DHA)
- Food / Whey Shakes
Have some SAN Na-R-ALA and NOW ALCAR that will be replacing the Walmart ALCAR/ALA above when that runs out in a couple of days to up those dosages/quality a bit. Noting here that I need to add in more Calcium supplementation, and will throw in SAMe for liver (even tho osta isn't known to be toxic ) + other benefits.
I added the Erase, Olive Leaf, Garlic, Celery Seed and Theanine when my BP went very high, and normally just 1 Erase is all I can tolerate without joint pain so 3 Erase/day means to me I've got a lot more T around now, which is a good thing.
I came off a long break of inactivity and bad eating, so was definitely out of shape when I started about 3 weeks ago now. Here are some stats for changes since I started:
Starting weight: 267 - current 261 (down 6 lbs)
Waist - down 1 inch in last 2 weeks (didn't measure first week)
Arms - up 1/2 inch in last 2 weeks
Legs - up 1 inch in last 2 weeks
Here's a quote from the original thread where I talk about how I'm eating:
My gut tells me that GW is acting like poor-mans-insulin (or no-pin-insulin) as my muscles feel full and my carbs have been quite low - basically besides fibrerous veggies, the equivilent to a couple of medium apples a day. My meals are typically:
- protein shake with water or 1/2 lowfat milk, 1/2 water (I add the milk to make it a "meal" - i.e. slow down the digestion a bit)
- Chicken/Steak/Pork/Fish & non-startchy veggies (Broccoli/Asparagus/Green Beens/Salad/Peppers+Onions/Mushrooms/Tomatos, etc...)
- pre/post-workout apple and/or some brown+wild rice (cool little pre-made cups only 1 min in the microwave make it easy)
- if I'm craving carbs real bad, I'll allow myself an apple, or if I'm going out to a restaurant (which I do multiple times a week) I'll get the "fruit cup" instead of some startchy carb (white rice, potatos, etc...) and have that as my dessert. So I end up with meat, non-startchy veggies, and fruit for dessert. I just try to make sure wherever I go I can get whole meat, as I avoid processed meat (like sausage, hamburger, etc...) as much as I can...
- I also try to avoid foods high in fat (since in theory I should bet getting that from my body) so try to avoid chowders, Alfredo, blue cheese or creamy dressings, etc...
I'm not counting calories, when I'm hungry I eat, when I'm full, I stop. If it's time to have some protein and I'm not hungry, I'll have a shake, and occasionally I'll eat a low carb protein bar (1-2 times a week) for convenience. If I'm dying to have something like a french fry and I'm eating with someone who got some, I'll eat a couple, and since I know I can, it's no big deal and I don't want a ton, and I don't feel like I'm dieting.
I continue to gain strength in the gym every workout
I've since added a small banana pre-workout for some extra carbs and potassium. Here's a brief description my workouts:
Presently working out for 60-70 minutes. Weight training first, then some LISS cardio for 20-25 minutes after to keep my heart rate around 130 for that duration - it's usually 125-145 when I get on whichever kind of hamster wheel I decide to use that day.
Currently working out 5x/week, have gravitated towards:
Su - legs/bis
M - chest
Tu - back
W - off
Th - Shoulders
F - Arms
Sa - off
This is a variation of what I would call the "Standard 5 day split" - chest, back, legs, shoulders, arms - but with a break in the middle as I find it tough to work out 5 days in a row on low carbs. I've been throwing in some additional work on bi's just because I've always felt that they've lagged for me, and they seem to recover quickly.
Also, as a final note in this intro, I'll mention that I'm loving the OstaRX, and almost want to run a 4th bottle, but I know that would be a bit much. That said, I'm tempted to throw in some low dose SD or Epi in my last 2 weeks if I feel I've made sufficient progress.
Anyhow, that should be enough to get things started, there's a ton of more detail in the original thread if anyone cares enough to read through it.