Over the last year or so Ive read a fair bit in this forum and with exception of some of the bigger experienced guys, alot of people tend to talk of steroid use/cycles and then of relatively non-impressive lighter lifts etc. Im not trying to start any beef, but even on gear some peoples lifts are still fairly low. I thought it was best to reach your natural limit first in both strength/growth before giving gear a go. I know you do get people of all shapes/sizes/strengths but do you think people are simply naturally weaker or lazy/impatient. I dont boast of super lifts either but I feel I could still improve naturally although itching to have a go on gear. Is it impractical to perhaps hit a target of maybe 300+lb bench/squat etc naturally before cycling AS as plenty of clean lifters can shift that sort of weight. Do you think its best to keep increasing calories and lifting weight to the point where growth stops/slows or just have a go with gear when confident, as I dont want to waste another say 6 months breaking my balls, lifting more, eating more and not seeing too much return. What you guys think? Cheers.