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    Thanks, they are all daily amounts. i was doing the HGH at night only, and doing the GHRP and GRF to pulse during the day.
    THe HGH is daily... 365 a year...
    6' 1" 250 before the water, 275 now.
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    Back in the day i was in the film industry and i cycled then. I got old, fat, and lazy, while i cannot do much about the age, the rest i can change.

    Started working out again about two years ago, dropped over 50 lbs, i have done some smaller cycles, test only, test/winnie in the past 2 years. i am making good gains, but then the water hit.
    Not really sure what you mean by weekly oils, the injectables are in GSO.
    test is 250/ml, winnie 50mg/ML, Tren 100mgs/ml Deca 300mgs/ML.
    I prefer to pin smaller amounts daily since i am pinning anyway, so instead of (for example), doing Tren at 100 mg EOD i do 50 every day.

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    I dont know bro. You would get less water from test prop since your pinning every day. Try splitting g the HGH and cut back on the deca. I usually do winny on the backend of a cycle and at just 50 mg/day. Don't know if that could be contributing to the water - maybe if it's reacting wierd with something else.

    Are you sure your aramasin is g2g? Any other gyno type symptoms?

    Might create a new thread in the anabolic section to get more info.

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    Thanks i may do that.
    I got the amarosin from a sponser of good reputation here, but to be honest i have been wondering if it is under dosed, (i mean even good guys make mistakes), as my nipples have been a bit tender, but nothing major. The dosage i am taking should have been more than adequate.
    As of now, i have dropped the deca and will see how that goes for a few weeks.

    I got a new prescription of a stronger diuretic, 25mgs of Hydrochlorothiazide, and i am taking pottasium with it, so we will see what it looks like a week from now.

    Part of the bummer is that this has been a bad workout week, some physical because of the water, and some mental for the same reason. But as in all things, i will overcome.

    My understanding is that the winnie and tren should actually help reduce the water.
    Winstrol (Stanozolol) - Steroid .com

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    In bodybuilding, stanozolol is typically "stacked" with other testosterone-based anabolic steroids. Stanozolol is preferred by many steroid users due to the fact that it causes strength increases without excess weight-gain, promotes increases in vascularity,[citation needed] and will not convert to estrogen. It also does not cause excess water retention, and is thought to have a diuretic effect on the body.[citation needed]
    Stanozolol is commonly used by athletes and bodybuilders alike to lose fat while retaining lean body mass. It is usually used in a "cutting cycle", to help preserve lean body mass while metabolizing adipose, although it has not been proven conclusively that it has any special fat-burning properties.

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    Thanks for the input
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankJames View Post
    I am 56 years old, good diet, 4 - 6 liters of water a day.
    Work out 6 days a week, split routine, chest/back/legs next day shoulders/triceps/biceps/forearms 4 - 6 excercises per body part 3 sets of everything, 15 - 10 - 5

    So here is my cycle, i am about 4 weeks in.

    50mg Deca
    100mg Winstrol
    150mg Test Cyp
    50mg Tren Acetate
    25mg Amarosin
    100 mcg Ghrp-2 Split into two shots First AM then Post afternoon workout
    100mcg Mod Grf 1 -29 Split into two shots First AM then Post afternoon workout
    4IU HGH Last thing at night
    These are all Daily doses
    Weekly i am doing 2ml Thymosin Beta 4 and about 1ml of Melanotin II.

    The problem is i have gained a ton of water, about 25 lbs. i went to a dr, had blood work done, everything was good, no kidney liver issues etc... i got 20mg Lasix, and they do pretty much nothing. i am going back Friday for a follow up and hopefully get something stronger, but i am wondering what i am missing. I am thinking i will cut the Deca and possibly the Test till i get this under control.

    Any thoughts are truly appreciated.
    Look into your carb intake. That's the main culprit for my water retention. I'm running test E at 600 and inj dianabol at 50 mg EOD with no water issues. The dif is I am keeping my carbs in control. 200 g or less a day. 2 days a week I go up to 350-400 g. I'm also in my 50s.

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    Notice the key word in the winny description is "used in a cutting cycle" typically with prop. Winnie won't overcome the water retention of deca, HGH and cyp by itself. True tren is for hardening, but again you have alot of juice geared toward bulking not cutting. Switch deca to eq and you have more of a lean mass builder cycle.

    I still think the Ed injections of test cyp and deca are Contributing but I don't have any science to back it up. Just a gut feel.

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    Make sure you are drinking at least half your body weight in oz of water too.

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    This might be completely off, but I just want to make sure I am understanding correctly...

    So I've been reading some on amiridex since I've been seeing it included during cycles instead of aromasin. Heavy informed me that amiridex has a longer half life then aromasin, so is that why more people are running that during cycle, and aromasin in pct because of it's suicidal effect on estrogen? Thanks, just trying to become more informed and up to date with the better protocols...

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    Exactly, run a suicide inhibitor at the end.

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    Beautiful! Thanks Heavy!

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    Hi Guys,

    I'm about to begin my first cycle, I'm quite scared but more excited by that!

    With the help of Heavy Iron and some others great guys, here is what I plan. I think it is now pretty solid now but if you have any suggestions feel free to express.

    Cycle :


    Sunday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

    Monday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 500iu HCG / 1 quarter tablet of Procar per day (1.25mg)

    Tuesday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 300mg Enanthate /1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

    Wednesday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

    Thursday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

    Friday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin /300mg Enanthate / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

    Saturday : 10/12,5mg Aromasin / 500iu HCG / 1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

    ---------------

    Post Cycle Therapy :

    2 weeks waiting the esters clear out with 2 injections of HCG. 1000iu HCG on monday and 1000iu on saturday

    100/75/50/50 Clomid (50mg taken twice per day during 3 weeks and the week 4, 50mg taken once per day) (is it enough???????)

    20mg/20mg/20mg/10mg Aromasin (20mg daily for 3 weeks, 10mg daily in week 4)

    3g Vit C every day split in 3 doses
    10g creatine daily

    1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)

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    DIET

    Calories : 3500-4000 calories each day (reaching the 4k progressively if not overkill and necessary)

    Proteins : 300 grams or more (1,5g to 2G of proteins per pound of LBM)

    Carbs : 300g

    Fat : 100 grams (0,5g of fat per pound of LBM)

    ------------

    TRAINING

    Baby Got Back :

    DAY 1 :

    Rack pulls 5X5

    BO rows 3X8

    One-arm dumbbell 3x12

    Barbell bench 5X5

    Dumbbell bench 3X8

    Pectoral Fly 3X12 reps

    Optional standing calves, one leg at a time, 3x12

    Abdominos


    DAY 2:

    Alternating dumbbell curls 5X5

    3X8 supersets of :

    - reps incline dumbbell curls
    - reps close grip pulldowns

    Squats 5X5

    Front squats 3X8

    Walking lunges 3X12

    GHR 3x8

    Abdominos


    DAY 3:

    clean-and-press 5X5

    Weighted chins 3X8

    Unweighted chins 5X5

    Olympic bar corner press 3x8

    lateral raises - 3x12

    Adominos


    DAY 4 :

    Deadlift 5X5

    GHR 3X8

    Leg curl 5X5

    Front Squat 3X8

    Dips (lifted) 5X5

    Closegrip barbell bench 3X8

    Abdominos

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    Blood test before starting ( I have to analyse my T level and Tryglicerid)




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    Went to the Lab. Today for blood test:

    Testosterone
    Estradiol
    Cholestérol HDL/LDL
    Triglycerid
    Phosphatase Alcaline
    Bilirubin

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    What were your results brother?

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    Hey bro,

    Alright, while I'm waiting my gear.... (PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE come fast!!!!!)

    I went to the lab to do a full blood test prior to my first cycle, here are the results :

    Cholesterol : 1,55 g/L
    4,01 mmol/L

    Cholesterol HDL: 0,33 g/L
    0,85 mmol/L

    Total Cholesterol/HDL: 4,70

    Cholesteol LDL: 0,94 g/L
    2,43 mmol/L

    Cholesterol HDL/LDL: 0,35

    VLDL Cholesterol: 0,28g/L

    Tryglycerids: 1,41 g/L
    1,59 mmol/L

    Phospatases alcalins: 46U/L

    Testosterone: 7,93ng/ml ( I was surprised to be that high. For a an adult guy the rangeis between 2.8 to 11.00)
    27,52nmol/L

    Estradiol : 23pg/ml
    84pmol/L

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    Your T to E2 ratio looks sweet brother.

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    Yep, we will see when I'll begin my cycle.

    I plan to do two others blood test, one during the fifth week which will the middle of my cycle and an other one at the end of my PCT.

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