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    would you stay in America if........??????

    if we in fact DO become a true socialistic country would you stay here? i'd personally move to europe....if socialism is going to be my only choice, i'd rather experience living in another land where the pace isn't as fast as it is here

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    I'd move to the philippines or some other third world nation where my dollars would go far, I could hide my money, and retire. Socialism is evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
    if we in fact DO become a true socialistic country would you stay here? i'd personally move to europe....if socialism is going to be my only choice, i'd rather experience living in another land where the pace isn't as fast as it is here
    irish_2003,

    What is your definition of "socialism?"

    Social Security?
    Medicare?
    Military Industrial Complex?
    Baling out Wall Street?

    Other examples?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Smoothy View Post
    irish_2003,

    What is your definition of "socialism?"

    Social Security?
    Medicare?
    Military Industrial Complex?
    Baling out Wall Street?

    Other examples?
    where we're nothing but a country of programs and benefits.....everyone will be taxed until we roughly bring home the same amount regardless of occupation and then we're reliant on those gov't programs.....so kinda a combo of soc/communism i guess......basically where there's no real reward for being more than average


    but obviously you're a liberal because you're answering my question with a question and not giving an answer

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    Irish we were socialist during the Viet Nam war and since our incarceration rate has surpassed China and Russia it's safe to say America is a Police State. Every Empire gets rich off exiles and then the rich politicians reverse the flow and parasitism collapses the economy. I'm on my way to Brazil, love my jiu jitsu and hemogenins with brazilian bikinis running around. I might be a board sponsor when I get down there lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by irish_2003 View Post
    where we're nothing but a country of programs and benefits.....everyone will be taxed until we roughly bring home the same amount regardless of occupation and then we're reliant on those gov't programs.....so kinda a combo of soc/communism i guess......basically where there's no real reward for being more than average
    I agree with you here.

    It's just that your using the definition of "socialism" and "communism" from a model that does not exist anymore (except for 1 or 2 nations).

    Have you read Das Kapital? Other works of communism.

    Define these first, and even if you could, these terms are not applicable.


    but obviously you're a liberal
    No.

    Go back and read my posts over the last 7 years. You will clearly realize that I am not .
    It's an accurate statement that our current spending will not be increasing the debt We've stopped spending money that we don't have.

    -- Jack Lew, then director of the Office of Management and Budget, in Feb. 16, 2011 testimony before the Senate Budget Committee.

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    look at my home country "communist china", what a joke, it is totalitarian government with unadulterated libertarian capitalism where you can pollute 60% of our water and make it undrinkable by aemrican standards, use child labor, pour lead into herbal drugs or prescription drugs ( no collective bargaining which is somewhat socialistic) all in the name of profit. move there if you don't want socialism, just don't throw around you are christian since the taiping rebellion has given them a severe case of PTSD about that religion.

    Heck, if you are industrious and enterprising, you can make out like the robber baarons during the industrial age here. Only thing, you better learn our language........
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    If we're talking about the purist definitions of communism and socialism, I think I'd stay. My definition if socialism is that everyone gets what they need and everyone contributes, the commune mentality. If you don't contribute somehow, you're outta here. I could do that.

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    I would move south (Mexico or even further), something we have talked about for a few years, in fact we probably will eventually either way.
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    I like to think I am a citizen of the world, I don't get tied down with patriotism. I love the USA and think we have the best chance to bring the world together someday if we can get our shit back together. Many countries exist that I wouldn't dare to set foot in, but there are many more I could easily call home. I'd likely stay and have faith that we can always revolt and make change....Same thing I say about if Revelations did happen and all the good people get swept to heaven, I'd rather stay on Earth and fight to gain it back because I love this planet, why abandon it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince View Post
    I would move south (Mexico or even further), something we have talked about for a few years, in fact we probably will eventually either way.
    someplace warm for me or possibly thailand.....assuming i'd have the money to leave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathybird View Post
    If we're talking about the purist definitions of communism and socialism, I think I'd stay. My definition if socialism is that everyone gets what they need and everyone contributes, the commune mentality. If you don't contribute somehow, you're outta here. I could do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vick View Post
    Irish we were socialist during the Viet Nam war and since our incarceration rate has surpassed China and Russia it's safe to say America is a Police State.
    You're missing the reason that we have a prison population higher than China and Russia. They kill more of their prisoners (overtly and through neglect) than the US does. Plus, their laws are far more draconian and have higher penalties.

    However, they are still the ones doing it correctly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vick View Post
    Irish we were socialist during the Viet Nam war and since our incarceration rate has surpassed China and Russia it's safe to say America is a Police State. Every Empire gets rich off exiles and then the rich politicians reverse the flow and parasitism collapses the economy. I'm on my way to Brazil, love my jiu jitsu and hemogenins with brazilian bikinis running around. I might be a board sponsor when I get down there lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOMS View Post
    You're missing the reason that we have a prison population higher than China and Russia. They kill more of their prisoners (overtly and through neglect) than the US does. Plus, their laws are far more draconian and have higher penalties.

    However, they are still the ones doing it correctly.
    Ok never mind the extreme example, still 10 times higher than other industrialized democracies. Future historians will be redefining human traffickers and their melting pot.

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