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    MGF w CJC or GHRP?

    Okay say one is going to research w MGF. Would it be better suited w/ cjc w out the dac, or just GHRP 2?
    Goals:
    Muscle recovery
    Aid in size
    Aid in bulk( not looking lose fat )
    Based on goals....what do you think would be best. Also, I could just do MGF seperate for 4 weeks and then do one of the other two after.
    Also, I am on TRT test cyp. Thanks.


    Side note: I seen ppl complain about hunger in ghrp2 and actually of all things sleeping problems? Idk, never used a pep yet.

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    MGF is unrelated to GHRP's and GHRH's. GHRP is going to be more effective on it's own, compared to the GHRH's.. but I still recommend that you pair them together. Some research subjects to experience sleep disturbances from the GHRP-2. This is due to an increase in cortisol levels. There is no guarentee that this will happen in your research, but it is a very real possibility.

    Use the MGF 10-15 minutes post workout. Natty MGF levels will peak, as you are introducing the exogenous MGF. Wait 15-20 minutes and admister GHRP/GHRH combo.

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    ^^^^^ Pittsburgh knows his Sh*t..This is almost exactly how I am running my Peps.
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    Good post pitt I was unaware how fast it peaked

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    if your not lookind to lose fat and want mass scratch it all and just get IGF1LR3 and go: wk1-8 50-100mcg ed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittsburgh63 View Post
    MGF is unrelated to GHRP's and GHRH's. GHRP is going to be more effective on it's own, compared to the GHRH's.. but I still recommend that you pair them together. Some research subjects to experience sleep disturbances from the GHRP-2. This is due to an increase in cortisol levels. There is no guarentee that this will happen in your research, but it is a very real possibility.

    Use the MGF 10-15 minutes post workout. Natty MGF levels will peak, as you are introducing the exogenous MGF. Wait 15-20 minutes and admister GHRP/GHRH combo.

    And if your going for mass, might as welll get GHRP-6 it makes most extra hunger after dosing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blergs. View Post
    And if your going for mass, might as welll get GHRP-6 it makes most extra hunger after dosing.
    For sure.. i love to use GHRP-6 PWO. I also agree with you that IGF would be a very good addition to add LBM. My advice above was just based on the parameters outlined in the OP's original post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pittsburgh63 View Post
    For sure.. i love to use GHRP-6 PWO. I also agree with you that IGF would be a very good addition to add LBM. My advice above was just based on the parameters outlined in the OP's original post.
    Yeah doesn't igf1lr3 have a systemic effect...basically it hits organs, unlike MGF. I know ppl on threads do Ig1r w/ MGF, well on a few threads. However, Like I said, don't want organ growth. If not, then I'd be in. I am guessing the timing would have to be good though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blergs. View Post
    if your not lookind to lose fat and want mass scratch it all and just get IGF1LR3 and go: wk1-8 50-100mcg ed.
    or even the above with this in there.
    Thanks for the response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcrazy View Post
    Yeah doesn't igf1lr3 have a systemic effect...basically it hits organs, unlike MGF. I know ppl on threads do Ig1r w/ MGF, well on a few threads. However, Like I said, don't want organ growth. If not, then I'd be in. I am guessing the timing would have to be good though.

    Anything with a half life longer than 10-15 minutes will go systemic to some degree.. but yes, LR3 having such a long half life does have the potential to cause intestinal growth. The intestines contains the most IGF receptors in your body. You can minimize the potential by using a reasonable dose and cycled on 4-5 weeks and off for equal time. I've used it for a little over a year that way with no visual issues with gut growth. IGF Des have that same potential, as the half life is in minutes rather than hours.

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    I saw an article that detailed a regimen that included MGF and IGF-1 LR3 on separate days due to stem cell proliferation while MGF is active. It stated that MGF would be active for several days. I have even seen a regimen that included MGF only once a week and IGF on all other non-workout days. The idea is that the introduction of IGF is a waste while MGF is working. Ok, if you do not want to read the whole article, let me give you an idea. He claims that MGF will cause stem cells to proliferate (divide and multiply). During this division, IGF would be useless as new tissue cannot occur during this process. However, the question is does everyone agree that 24,48 hours is the ideal time. I know this is a little different as the op is asking about MGF and GHRP/GHRH, but still it is good information to consider as people have had issues getting a cumulative effect with MGF/IGF. However, a separate dosing scheme has been successful. What are your thoughts on this. I am curious as to what Pitt thinks especially.

    IGF-1 LR3 + Peg MGF cycle, when to dose?

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    First of all, saying IGF is "useless" before "stem cells have proliferated" is wrong, retarded, uneducated, and shows a complete lack of understanding of what happens at a biological level. Now that I have that off my chest

    MGF is actually a variation of IGF, technically called IGF-1Ec. When tissue is damaged, the IGF gene is spliced, IGF-1Ec ("MGF") is what is left, while residual peptides are able to translate back into IGF. The MGF is simply for activating satellite cells to begin the cell cycle, becoming simple myoblasts, nothing more. A myoblast is ONLY A PRECURSUR CELL.Once these cells begin the cell cycle, IGF is actually EXTREMELY IMPORTANT as MGF actually prevents cell differentiation. This is where IGF comes into play, allowing further development of the cell and promoting differentiation



    In a complete absence of IGF and a few other growth factors that I wont get into, the stem cells wouldn't develop into any useful and developed form of myocyte, and will simply dedifferentiate back into satellite cells in the endomysium. Also, IGF-1 Lr3 or DES used on workout days (preferably pre-workout) wont blunt any MGF release from the liver.

    It is actually a VERY good idea to use both together, so we can "feed" the entire cell cycle so to speak.

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    Well, that is why I am asking. He said that division is possible, but not new tissue growth. Isn't that a little moronic. The only way that would be possible, if I understand you correctly, is if a person had no igf-1 or even insulin? I am a biochemistry major and learn as I go, not extremely deep in it, but a lot of things he said just didn't make sense. With GH, new cell are produced unlike in AAS where the already present cells simply grow, correct? So, if I understand you correctly after injury (training would be a form of this although not as bad as a wound) MGF signals the cell cycle to begin as satellite cells. However, the process only proceeds til the myoblasts are produced, but no differentiating. This is where the Igf takes over and differentiates the cell into the appropriate muscle fiber. MGF alone would not allow for the cell to differentiate. I think that is where the writer thought that MGF presence would halt use of the IGF, but Obviously you have set me straight.

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    Very very simply, all you have to remember is that sex hormones, once bound to their receptor, simply call for a certain set of mRNA to be transcribed, thus "setting the stage" for whatever production of proteins is called for. There is a VERY wide range of different outcomes can come from this transcription process, depending on the hormone that is bound.

    Quote Originally Posted by chemical View Post
    Well, that is why I am asking. He said that division is possible, but not new tissue growth. Isn't that a little moronic. The only way that would be possible, if I understand you correctly, is if a person had no igf-1 or even insulin? I am a biochemistry major and learn as I go, not extremely deep in it, but a lot of things he said just didn't make sense. With GH, new cell are produced unlike in AAS where the already present cells simply grow, correct? So, if I understand you correctly after injury (training would be a form of this although not as bad as a wound) MGF signals the cell cycle to begin as satellite cells. However, the process only proceeds til the myoblasts are produced, but no differentiating. This is where the Igf takes over and differentiates the cell into the appropriate muscle fiber. MGF alone would not allow for the cell to differentiate. I think that is where the writer thought that MGF presence would halt use of the IGF, but Obviously you have set me straight.


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