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If I wanted America to Fail

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Oh brother.
 

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America has been under attack for decades. All of DC needs to be fired and the lobbyists jailed or send scurrying.
 

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"If I wanted American to fail?"

Folks,

I think American has been failing for a long, long, time.

It's just now that we are living the results of 7+ decades of intentional policy making.
 

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Didnt gas prices hit historic highs under GWB? Hes a democrat? lmao!
 

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Sorry but all this is just shit to hide reality, GREED is killing western countries!

A man with a billion $ pays how many percent tax? Spread that same wealth over 10,000 people and how much tax do they pay??? Less than 1% of a billion $ or average around 20% of a billion $, which is better for America?

Keep blaming Obama! While every wanker in congress stops him taxing the rich more!
 

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Dont get me wrong, its no bloody different in Australia!
 

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It isn't just democrats. It's republicans, too.
 

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the problem is both democrats and republicans they are only concerned with the own jobs and wont do any real work to bring this country together.
 

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Everyday I worry that my 2 year old daughter(or maybe her daughter) will have to live with the consequence of humans plundering mother earth...
I would rather ruin america then ruin the only planet we have.
 

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I feel like the make it a "republican or make it a democrats issue" is hiding behind the issue. I'm certain we could get the a video from a democratic source that would flip it and be equally as convincing.
Here is the problem
in all legal/political issues there are grey areas. A great lawyer could make you think Adolf hilter was an ok dude... Science should not be viewed with this grey leverage. Lawyers and politicians should shut the fuck up about science. Political groups should not fund science related issues. We have republican paid scientist claiming global warming is not real...
I don't know if global warming is real or not. But what is the worst thing that will happen if it is not real and we take action...maybe global economies fail, maybe roits, world world or maybe new technology that propels the human race forward; either way life goes on. What is global warming is real and we take no action. Economies still fail, wars etc still occour; just this time life does not go on.
Or maybe a gamma ray hits us tomorrow...
 

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Sorry but all this is just shit to hide reality, GREED is killing western countries!

A man with a billion $ pays how many percent tax? Spread that same wealth over 10,000 people and how much tax do they pay??? Less than 1% of a billion $ or average around 20% of a billion $, which is better for America?

Keep blaming Obama! While every wanker in congress stops him taxing the rich more!

Obama is a buffoon who is barely qualified to run a McDonalds. The only reason he's president is because he's black and can read a teleprompter well.

Can you please name one nation that taxed itself into prosperity? If you can justify discrimination against those who make more money where does your discrimination have limits? Tax men more than women? Tax fat people more? Tax white people more?
 

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I feel like the make it a "republican or make it a democrats issue" is hiding behind the issue. I'm certain we could get the a video from a democratic source that would flip it and be equally as convincing.
Here is the problem
in all legal/political issues there are grey areas. A great lawyer could make you think Adolf hilter was an ok dude... Science should not be viewed with this grey leverage. Lawyers and politicians should shut the fuck up about science. Political groups should not fund science related issues. We have republican paid scientist claiming global warming is not real...
I don't know if global warming is real or not. But what is the worst thing that will happen if it is not real and we take action...maybe global economies fail, maybe roits, world world or maybe new technology that propels the human race forward; either way life goes on. What is global warming is real and we take no action. Economies still fail, wars etc still occour; just this time life does not go on.
Or maybe a gamma ray hits us tomorrow...

Global warming is a religion, not science. That's why they keep getting caught falsifying the data. Their "warming model" doesn't work for the weather we've already had, yet we are suppose to believe it works for the future? We've been cooling since 2000 yet china puts up 2 coal power plants a week. It's just the latest socialist scam. In the 80s it was the Ice age and global cooling. Same players.
 

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Global warming is a religion, not science. That's why they keep getting caught falsifying the data. Their "warming model" doesn't work for the weather we've already had, yet we are suppose to believe it works for the future? We've been cooling since 2000 yet china puts up 2 coal power plants a week. It's just the latest socialist scam. In the 80s it was the Ice age and global cooling. Same players.

It's why they've changed the name from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change."


Global warming is a religion, not science.

So very, very true. Simple logic will tell you that.
 

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Global warming is a religion, not science. That's why they keep getting caught falsifying the data. Their "warming model" doesn't work for the weather we've already had, yet we are suppose to believe it works for the future? We've been cooling since 2000 yet china puts up 2 coal power plants a week. It's just the latest socialist scam. In the 80s it was the Ice age and global cooling. Same players.

I hope your right... but Im not putting stock in it...
although I do pay attention to this matter and I read what is availaible I am in no way qualififed to make statements regarding the specifics of the science. and half the shit is over my head and the the other half feels like it is pushed by an agenda one way or the other.
I have read in several locations that the cooling of the earths climate is a result of global warming. I dont pretend to understand the all of the moving parts of this... I have seen it but could not replicate it in an understandable fashion. I know it has to do with changing ocean currents and a new ice age.

I just dont trust anything put in front of me, but that does not mean I'm not scared of some of it.
 

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Dont get me wrong, its no bloody different in Australia!

I have quite a few Australian mates.

I highly respect them. Egalitarian - much moreso than the Brits.

Oz is selling its natural resources - mostly to the Chinese. Lot of buddies of mine from Asia (Australian) even with Uni degrees are working in the mines now.

And allowing the former Chinese PM to buy a $25 million dollar house in Sydney? True?

Would China do that?

If this story is true, remember - the West opens its doors only to be shit on.
 

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Or, we could just get rid of the EPA altogether and end all regulations that limit the amount of pollution that would get spewed into the air. Yup, that would definately do it.

That's the other agenda!
 

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http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/xls/PET_PRI_GND_DCUS_NUS_W.xls

gasoline prices have been increasing since the 90's and right now extraction from US wells is at an all time high. the recession after the housing asset bubble burst caused global consumption to decrease so crude prices dropped and now prices have returned to where they were headed before the global recession started.

prices at the pump are determined by:

inflation on the USD
supply & demand
commodity and futures trading

all the historical data is and has always been available at U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

* the US has the lowest gas tax by far out of all country's in the OECD, it's why American's pay so little for gas at the pump. there is no energy exporting country in the world that exports, has a high demand for refined gas at home and has cheap prices at the pump...never in world history
 

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the world of politics will never change until we show up on their front door. We can protest and complain all we want but they live in their safe guarded commuties and have no fear of us.
 

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http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/xls/PET_PRI_GND_DCUS_NUS_W.xls

gasoline prices have been increasing since the 90's and right now extraction from US wells is at an all time high. the recession after the housing asset bubble burst caused global consumption to decrease so crude prices dropped and now prices have returned to where they were headed before the global recession started.

prices at the pump are determined by:

inflation on the USD
supply & demand
commodity and futures trading

all the historical data is and has always been available at U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

* the US has the lowest gas tax by far out of all country's in the OECD, it's why American's pay so little for gas at the pump. there is no energy exporting country in the world that exports, has a high demand for refined gas at home and has cheap prices at the pump...never in world history

The price of gas is so high is because its a commodity. Speculators who own stock, or oil companies have speculators buy an enormous amount of oil and then sit on it, making the price go sky high. This is a fact look it up. Has nothing to dowith who is president Democrat or Republian.
 

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http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/xls/PET_PRI_GND_DCUS_NUS_W.xls

gasoline prices have been increasing since the 90's and right now extraction from US wells is at an all time high. the recession after the housing asset bubble burst caused global consumption to decrease so crude prices dropped and now prices have returned to where they were headed before the global recession started.

prices at the pump are determined by:

inflation on the USD
supply & demand
commodity and futures trading

all the historical data is and has always been available at U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

* the US has the lowest gas tax by far out of all country's in the OECD, it's why American's pay so little for gas at the pump. there is no energy exporting country in the world that exports, has a high demand for refined gas at home and has cheap prices at the pump...never in world history

I was agreeing with you just wanted to add that to your post.
 

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I don't know if global warming is real or not. But what is the worst thing that will happen if it is not real and we take action...maybe global economies fail, maybe roits, world world or maybe new technology that propels the human race forward; either way life goes on. What is global warming is real and we take no action. Economies still fail, wars etc still occour; just this time life does not go on.

No, the Apocalypse the eco-extremists preach against isn't going to happen. I think climate change is real and humans probably contribute to it to some degree but we need to be practical and make educated rational decisions rather than go jihad in the name of Mother/Allah Earth.

Raising energy prices is idiotic. Obviously the 'green' alternatives aren't financially practical but many aren't actually going to help the environment. We need to calculate cost versus benefit.
 

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America is headed toward a collapse. It's gonna happen. when, is the question. The people vote for this type of govt, now they're gonna have to suffer the consequences. It's too bad.
 

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America is headed toward a collapse. It's gonna happen. when, is the question. The people vote for this type of govt, now they're gonna have to suffer the consequences. It's too bad.
negative, americans are lazy. until we lose our comforts we will sit on the couch and complain about how bad its getting.
 

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Or, we could just get rid of the EPA altogether and end all regulations that limit the amount of pollution that would get spewed into the air. Yup, that would definately do it.

That's the other agenda!

you mean letting the markets self-regulate. history has shown time and time again how well that works with recent events such as the BP Gulf oil spill and 2008 banking collapse being perfect examples of it's failure in reality.

government created the corporation and it's their responsibility to control them. self-regulation is purely delusion as history shows regulations were put in place because they were needed. does the love canal or erin brockovich ring a bell to anyone.

if self-regulation was ever going to work it surely wouldn't be in the US. the past 40 years shows how much US large firms care about american citizens, as stagnant wages are proof positive of this disconnect. but of course there was also lots of help from the central bank due to inflation.
 
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