Best Overall symmetry??

[gopro]

Originally posted by Prince
by strict definition of the word, you're correct.

But when it's used in this sense (a physique) it means more along the lines of: "beauty as a result of balance or harmonious arrangement."

That is more how I view the word "aesthetics" in bodybuilding. I still, personally, view symmetry as side to side development. Maybe its b/c I come from an art backround?

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by gopro
That is more how I view the word "aesthetics" in bodybuilding. I still, personally, view symmetry as side to side development. Maybe its b/c I come from an art backround?

Well, many words in the English language have more than one definition.

 

[OceanDude]

I am not at all familiar with Paris - anyone have a picture?

 

[Arnold]

he was a bit light in the loafers.

 

[Mudge]

Bob Paris was all about balance, and he was gay FWIW.

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by Prince
he was a bit light in the loafers.

 

[Mudge]

I wasn't sure what that meant but the wink kind of clued me in, I was not sure Oh I get it now, he walked with a pep in his step

Like this guy http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan

 

[OceanDude]

Ah thanks for the clarificaiton, I had surmised with reasonable certainty he meant the guy was a penny short of 2 cents and therefor "odd" in a queer sort of way.

 

[oaktownboy]

Originally posted by Mudge
I wasn't sure what that meant but the wink kind of clued me in, I was not sure Oh I get it now, he walked with a pep in his step

Like this guy http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan
How did that guy attract over 4 million peeps to his site?must be "magic" and a little bit of ferry dust.

 

[Arnold]

makes you wonder how Mudge knows of that site, huh?

 

[OceanDude]

 

[Rodrugg]

I would say Osh Kosh B'Gosh or Dickies.

 

[OceanDude]

Re-looking at Paris's picture. What is that diagonal muscle that we can see on the left inner leg face. That can???t be the sartorius muscle can it? It seems to rise way too high above the quads too early instead of flowing into the inner thigh/hip region. Maybe its just the pose that pulls it up like that. In either the case ??? he is not well defined.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by OceanDude
Re-looking at Paris's picture. What is that diagonal muscle that we can see on the left inner leg face. That can???t be the sartorius muscle can it? It seems to rise way too high above the quads too early instead of flowing into the inner thigh/hip region. Maybe its just the pose that pulls it up like that. In either the case ??? he is not well defined.

Trust me, when Bob was in shape he was nearly flawless. One of the best in the sport ever.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Rodrugg
I would say Osh Kosh B'Gosh or Dickies.

Reveal thyself thine idiot!

 

[Mudge]

The Peter Pan guy won some award in 2001 or something (Webbies) for I think weirdest website.

 

[naturalguy]

unfortunately it seems that most people equate symmetry with smaller bodybuilders. Lee Haney was symmetrical and massive.

Other notables already mentioned: Shawn Ray, Flex & Lee Labrada

 

[Mudge]

I would agree with that, todays bodybuilders dont have what I would call a "classic" physique, where 1980s guys weren't all that different from well developed late 60s guys.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Mudge
I would agree with that, todays bodybuilders dont have what I would call a "classic" physique, where 1980s guys weren't all that different from well developed late 60s guys.

Hey Mudge...you think there wasn't much difference between Haney, Gaspari, Strydom, etc, form late 60s guys

(I think you smokin some herb my man!)

 

[OceanDude]

Originally posted by Mudge
I would agree with that, todays bodybuilders dont have what I would call a "classic" physique, where 1980s guys weren't all that different from well developed late 60s guys.

Hey, every time you say stuff like that about 60's guys one falls over and dies...

 

[Mudge]

Originally posted by gopro
Hey Mudge...you think there wasn't much difference between Haney, Gaspari, Strydom, etc, form late 60s guys

I think the much bigger difference is Dorian and beyond, I think Haney was more chest than anything else as far as being a freak. If you look at Arnold's competition weight vs most of the 80s guys it was I'd say 10-15 pounds difference, now you have guys like Ruhl at 5'10" competing at 284, HUGE difference.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Mudge
I think the much bigger difference is Dorian and beyond, I think Haney was more chest than anything else as far as being a freak. If you look at Arnold's competition weight vs most of the 80s guys it was I'd say 10-15 pounds difference, now you have guys like Ruhl at 5'10" competing at 284, HUGE difference.

Arnold was 6'2" and competed fairly ripped at 235 lbs. Haney was under 6' and competed at 245, much more shredded. Arnold would have gotten killed in mid to late eighties lineup. His legs were way under par in particular. And after Arnold, Sergio, and Lou, there were no heavywieghts to speak about.

Larry Scott would be laughed off the stage in his Olympia winning form if he competed against 1980s guys.

 

[Mudge]

Yep, I remember Arnolds stats fairly well Larry had the arms but I dont remember his chest being too spectaculaaaaaaarrrrrrr.

 

[Arnold]

I think that Arnold's upper body could stand up to 80's and 90's bb, but his legs were most definitely under par.

 

[Arnold]

Albert Beckles

Competitive Record (27 Years of competing!)

1992 Niagara Falls Pro Invitational - IFBB, 8th
1992 Chicago Pro Invitational - IFBB, 16th
1991 San Jose Pro Invitational - IFBB, 5th
1991 Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, 12th
1991 Olympia - IFBB, Didn't place
1991 Night of Champions - IFBB, 7th
1991 Niagara Falls Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1991 Grand Prix Switzerland - IFBB, 8th
1991 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 9th
1991 Grand Prix Italy - IFBB, 8th
1991 Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, 9th
1991 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 7th
1991 Grand Prix Denmark - IFBB, 7th
1990 Night of Champions - IFBB, Didn't place
1990 Niagara Falls Pro Invitational - IFBB, 12th
1990 Houston Pro Invitational - IFBB, 11th
1990 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 9th
1989 World Pro Championships - IFBB, 4th
1989 Olympia - IFBB, 15th
1989 Night of Champions - IFBB, 8th
1989 Grand Prix US Pro - IFBB, 4th
1989 Grand Prix Sweden - IFBB, 9th
1989 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 10th
1989 Grand Prix Spain (2) - IFBB, 10th
1989 Grand Prix Melbourne - IFBB, 4th
1989 Grand Prix Holland - IFBB, 11th
1989 Grand Prix France - IFBB, 9th
1989 Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, 9th
1989 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 9th
1989 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 7th
1988 World Pro Championships - IFBB, 10th
1988 Olympia - IFBB, 15th
1988 Night of Champions - IFBB, 5th
1988 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 7th
1988 Grand Prix Spain (2) - IFBB, 8th
1988 Grand Prix Italy - IFBB, 8th
1988 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 8th
1988 Grand Prix France - IFBB, 11th
1988 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 7th
1988 Chicago Pro Invitational - IFBB, 4th
1987 World Pro Championships - IFBB, 3rd
1987 Olympia - IFBB, 7th
1987 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 4th
1987 Grand Prix Germany (2) - IFBB, 6th
1987 Grand Prix France - IFBB, 4th
1986 Olympia - IFBB, 4th
1985 Olympia - IFBB, 2nd
1985 Night of Champions - IFBB, Winner
1984 World Pro Championships - IFBB, Winner
1984 World Grand Prix - IFBB, Winner
1984 Olympia - IFBB, 4th
1984 Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, Winner
1983 Olympia - IFBB, 7th
1983 Night of Champions - IFBB, 3rd
1983 Grand Prix Switzerland - IFBB, 5th
1983 Grand Prix Sweden - IFBB, 5th
1983 Grand Prix Portland - IFBB, 4th
1983 Grand Prix Las Vegas - IFBB, 3rd
1983 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 5th
1982 World Pro Championships - IFBB, Winner
1982 Olympia - IFBB, 5th
1982 Night of Champions - IFBB, Winner
1982 Grand Prix Sweden - IFBB, 4th
1982 Grand Prix Belgium - IFBB, 2nd
1981 World Grand Prix - IFBB, 2nd
1981 Professional World Cup - IFBB, 6th
1981 Night of Champions - IFBB, 2nd
1981 Grand Prix World Cup - IFBB, 6th
1981 Grand Prix Wales - IFBB, 3rd
1981 Grand Prix New York - IFBB, 2nd
1981 Grand Prix New England - IFBB, Winner
1981 Grand Prix Massachusets - IFBB, 2nd
1981 Grand Prix Louisiana - IFBB, 2nd
1981 Grand Prix California - IFBB, 4th
1981 Grand Prix Belgium - IFBB, 2nd
1981 Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, 2nd
1980 World Pro Championships - IFBB, 4th
1980 Universe - Pro - IFBB, 4th
1979 World Pro Championships - IFBB, 2nd
1979 Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 7th
1979 Grand Prix Pennsylvania - IFBB, 3rd
1979 Best in the World - IFBB, Professional, 3rd
1978 Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 8th
1977 Olympia - IFBB, Short, 4th
1977 Olympia - IFBB, 7th
1975 Universe - IFBB, Medium, 2nd
1975 Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 3rd
1973 Universe - IFBB, Medium, 1st
1973 Mr Europe - IFBB, Medium, 1st
1973 Mr Europe - IFBB, Overall Winner
1971 Universe - NABBA, Medium, 1st
1971 Universe - IFBB, Medium, 1st
1971 Universe - IFBB, Overall Winner
1971 Mr World - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
1971 Mr World - AAU, Medium, 1st
1971 Mr World - AAU, Winner
1971 Mr Britain - NABBA, Winner
1970 Universe - NABBA, Medium, 2nd
1970 Mr Europe, Medium, 1st
1970 Mr Europe, Overall Winner
1970 Mr Britain - NABBA, Winner
1969 Universe - NABBA, Medium, 3rd
1969 Mr World - IFBB, Medium, 2nd
1969 Mr Britain - NABBA, 2nd
1968 Mr Britain - NABBA, 2nd
1967 Universe - NABBA, Medium, 1st
1967 Mr Britain - NABBA, 3rd
1966 Universe - NABBA, Medium, 6th
1965 Universe - NABBA, Medium, 3rd
1965 Mr Britain - NABBA, 5th

 

[Mudge]

Arnold looked a little smallish in 1980, but 60s-70s yeah, I thought he was awesome.

 

[oaktownboy]

Originally posted by Mudge
The Peter Pan guy won some award in 2001 or something (Webbies) for I think weirdest website.
Now, how on Earth would you know that?

 

[Mudge]

I work with computers, so I find out about computer related things from time to time, and I rarely forget anything (even if it becomes mangled in my brain somewhat). He should have won around 2001 or 2002? Probably says on his website, but I had seen his site originally in 99 I believe from some fellow co-workers and it had me rolling for about a week.

 

[gopro]

Originally posted by Prince
Albert Beckles

Competitive Record (27 Years of competing!)

1992 Niagara Falls Pro Invitational - IFBB, 8th
1992 Chicago Pro Invitational - IFBB, 16th
1991 San Jose Pro Invitational - IFBB, 5th
1991 Pittsburgh Pro Invitational - IFBB, 12th
1991 Olympia - IFBB, Didn't place
1991 Night of Champions - IFBB, 7th
1991 Niagara Falls Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
1991 Grand Prix Switzerland - IFBB, 8th
1991 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 9th
1991 Grand Prix Italy - IFBB, 8th
1991 Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, 9th
1991 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 7th
1991 Grand Prix Denmark - IFBB, 7th
1990 Night of Champions - IFBB, Didn't place
1990 Niagara Falls Pro Invitational - IFBB, 12th
1990 Houston Pro Invitational - IFBB, 11th
1990 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 9th
1989 World Pro Championships - IFBB, 4th
1989 Olympia - IFBB, 15th
1989 Night of Champions - IFBB, 8th
1989 Grand Prix US Pro - IFBB, 4th
1989 Grand Prix Sweden - IFBB, 9th
1989 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 10th
1989 Grand Prix Spain (2) - IFBB, 10th
1989 Grand Prix Melbourne - IFBB, 4th
1989 Grand Prix Holland - IFBB, 11th
1989 Grand Prix France - IFBB, 9th
1989 Grand Prix Finland - IFBB, 9th
1989 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 9th
1989 Arnold Classic - IFBB, 7th
1988 World Pro Championships - IFBB, 10th
1988 Olympia - IFBB, 15th
1988 Night of Champions - IFBB, 5th
1988 Grand Prix Spain - IFBB, 7th
1988 Grand Prix Spain (2) - IFBB, 8th
1988 Grand Prix Italy - IFBB, 8th
1988 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 8th
1988 Grand Prix France - IFBB, 11th
1988 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 7th
1988 Chicago Pro Invitational - IFBB, 4th
1987 World Pro Championships - IFBB, 3rd
1987 Olympia - IFBB, 7th
1987 Grand Prix Germany - IFBB, 4th
1987 Grand Prix Germany (2) - IFBB, 6th
1987 Grand Prix France - IFBB, 4th
1986 Olympia - IFBB, 4th
1985 Olympia - IFBB, 2nd
1985 Night of Champions - IFBB, Winner
1984 World Pro Championships - IFBB, Winner
1984 World Grand Prix - IFBB, Winner
1984 Olympia - IFBB, 4th
1984 Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, Winner
1983 Olympia - IFBB, 7th
1983 Night of Champions - IFBB, 3rd
1983 Grand Prix Switzerland - IFBB, 5th
1983 Grand Prix Sweden - IFBB, 5th
1983 Grand Prix Portland - IFBB, 4th
1983 Grand Prix Las Vegas - IFBB, 3rd
1983 Grand Prix England - IFBB, 5th
1982 World Pro Championships - IFBB, Winner
1982 Olympia - IFBB, 5th
1982 Night of Champions - IFBB, Winner
1982 Grand Prix Sweden - IFBB, 4th
1982 Grand Prix Belgium - IFBB, 2nd
1981 World Grand Prix - IFBB, 2nd
1981 Professional World Cup - IFBB, 6th
1981 Night of Champions - IFBB, 2nd
1981 Grand Prix World Cup - IFBB, 6th
1981 Grand Prix Wales - IFBB, 3rd
1981 Grand Prix New York - IFBB, 2nd
1981 Grand Prix New England - IFBB, Winner
1981 Grand Prix Massachusets - IFBB, 2nd
1981 Grand Prix Louisiana - IFBB, 2nd
1981 Grand Prix California - IFBB, 4th
1981 Grand Prix Belgium - IFBB, 2nd
1981 Canada Pro Cup - IFBB, 2nd
1980 World Pro Championships - IFBB, 4th
1980 Universe - Pro - IFBB, 4th
1979 World Pro Championships - IFBB, 2nd
1979 Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 7th
1979 Grand Prix Pennsylvania - IFBB, 3rd
1979 Best in the World - IFBB, Professional, 3rd
1978 Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 8th
1977 Olympia - IFBB, Short, 4th
1977 Olympia - IFBB, 7th
1975 Universe - IFBB, Medium, 2nd
1975 Olympia - IFBB, LightWeight, 3rd
1973 Universe - IFBB, Medium, 1st
1973 Mr Europe - IFBB, Medium, 1st
1973 Mr Europe - IFBB, Overall Winner
1971 Universe - NABBA, Medium, 1st
1971 Universe - IFBB, Medium, 1st
1971 Universe - IFBB, Overall Winner
1971 Mr World - AAU, Most Muscular, 1st
1971 Mr World - AAU, Medium, 1st
1971 Mr World - AAU, Winner
1971 Mr Britain - NABBA, Winner
1970 Universe - NABBA, Medium, 2nd
1970 Mr Europe, Medium, 1st
1970 Mr Europe, Overall Winner
1970 Mr Britain - NABBA, Winner
1969 Universe - NABBA, Medium, 3rd
1969 Mr World - IFBB, Medium, 2nd
1969 Mr Britain - NABBA, 2nd
1968 Mr Britain - NABBA, 2nd
1967 Universe - NABBA, Medium, 1st
1967 Mr Britain - NABBA, 3rd
1966 Universe - NABBA, Medium, 6th
1965 Universe - NABBA, Medium, 3rd
1965 Mr Britain - NABBA, 5th

You aren't saying he was the most symmetrical though, are you? You know who had nice "symmetry?" Samir Bannout in 1983 and also Mohammed Makkoway (sp?).

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by gopro
You aren't saying he was the most symmetrical though, are you? You know who had nice "symmetry?" Samir Bannout in 1983 and also Mohammed Makkoway (sp?).

No, but that is one impressive record!