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Yeah I missed it I was soo pissed. I got in with like 10 mins to go.
Sigh it will be repeated I guess.
Diego is by far one of the best TUF competitors that have succeeded in the UFC
They need to start putting better guys on these though. The point of the show "The Ultimate Fighter" is to give the winner a shot in the UFC, yet at all the fight nights, all of the competitors from the shows fight anyway. I'd like to see dudes like Neer, Swick, Loisseau, Sherk, ect. fight in these.
I thought the Diego/Karo fight was the only good one. Karo's judo throws were pretty impressive, but come the 3rd round he had nothing left and Diego just pushed the pressure the whole time. I thought the decision could have gone to Karo though, since he won the 1st two rounds. But I don't think they wanted to give Diego his 1st loss in a fight that close where he dominated at the end. They probably want to see him go after GSP, Hughes or Penn.
They need to start putting better guys on these though. The point of the show "The Ultimate Fighter" is to give the winner a shot in the UFC, yet at all the fight nights, all of the competitors from the shows fight anyway. I'd like to see dudes like Neer, Swick, Loisseau, Sherk, ect. fight in these.
We definitely watched 2 different fights. I could see giving the 2nd round to Karo, but Diego was dominant everywhere else. The judo throws are cool to watch but they don't get you points in MMA. Everytime Diego was thrown he maintained some sort of control either landing right in his guard or on a few occasions slipping to Karo's back. Not to mention Karo's face looked like a veal cutlet at the end. Great fight.
I agree the other fights weren't that great but Koscheck looked fantastic.
Doublebabse said:I agree with that. Diego even said he has never shown his best. I think his next fight should be with someone like GSP. See how good this kid really is. I wouldn't mind seeing another Nick Diaz vs Diego again either. I loved that fight. Did you guys catch "ultimate fighter 4 the comeback" last night?
They're just as good as take downs, especially when they look as flawless and effortless when Karo does them. He made Diego look like a rag doll. Sayin Judo throws don't influence scorecards is like saying submissions that are almost successful and bodyslams don't either. It was a fun fight to watch. It could have went either way. True that Parysian looked real beat up. Anyone see Karo get his tooth kneed out? That was wild.
GSP would tear him up. Has just as good conditioning, much quicker, can sprawl with the best and has dangerous striking. Not to mention he's comfortable on his back.
Yeah I watched UF4. A dude a I know from my hometown is in it this season. Jorge Rivera, he's in the middles.
Did you see the 1st round?? Karo got worked. From the minute that first uppercut landed Karo never had his legs back. Had any of the judo throws put Diego in a bad position I'd agree with you but traditionally a takedown is supposed to put you in a better position which none of his did. Diego did get tossed like a rag doll but only to regain position in a matter of seconds. Diego is the real deal.
August 18, 2006
by Mike Fridley (Mike@sherdog.com)
Diego Sanchez (Pictures) cleared a major hurdle Thursday evening towards getting a UFC welterweight title shot, winning a unanimous decision over Karo Parisyan (Pictures) at the Red Rock Casino Resort Spa in Las Vegas, Nevada.
The hard earned victory wasn???t easy for the Albuquerque, New Mexico native, who sampled a taste of the canvas several times in the contest after being on the wrong side of Parisyan???s amazing judo throws.
It wasn???t the Ultimate Fighter???s widely respected wrestling game that propelled him to the win ??? it was his underrated stamina that laid the foundation for his hand being raised in the most important main event of the scrappy welterweight???s career.
Entering the third stanza (with Sherdog.com scoring the fight a round apiece) Sanchez simply out-hustled Parisyan, digging deep with a workmanlike effort to solidify his name in the UFC???s 170-pound title picture.
Starting the final period with more gas in his tank than the man across from him, the fresh Sanchez went right to work with a straight right to the chin that briefly buckled Parisyan???s legs.
Never a fighter to show any weakness, Parisyan plugged forward and scored a double-leg takedown against the cage. In the defining moment of the bout, Sanchez quickly rose to his feet and executed a brilliant trip that put him in position to hop on his opponent???s back.
After dishing out some punishment to the back of Parisyan???s head and nearly securing a rear-naked choke, the TUF veteran found himself back on his feet after a skilled reversal courtesy of ???The Heat.???
Sensing his stamina advantage, Sanchez pressed forward with crisp punches and four consecutive shots to the midsection before a knee ejected a tooth from the California fighter???s mouth into the atmosphere.
After being thrown to the floor by a judo technique for the fourth time in the bout, Sanchez hustled to gain top position and pound out a decision on the judges??? scorecards.
Nelson Hamilton and Marcos Rosales called it 29-28 and the often mentioned Glenn Trowbridge absurdly scored it 30-26.
???I believe I???m the best in the world. I still haven???t got to go out there and perform at my best, but I do think when the time is right, that???s when it???s right for me,??? said Sanchez when asked if he was ready for a shot at the title.
I thought the Diego/Karo fight was the only good one. Karo's judo throws were pretty impressive, but come the 3rd round he had nothing left and Diego just pushed the pressure the whole time. I thought the decision could have gone to Karo though, since he won the 1st two rounds. But I don't think they wanted to give Diego his 1st loss in a fight that close where he dominated at the end. They probably want to see him go after GSP, Hughes or Penn.
They need to start putting better guys on these though. The point of the show "The Ultimate Fighter" is to give the winner a shot in the UFC, yet at all the fight nights, all of the competitors from the shows fight anyway. I'd like to see dudes like Neer, Swick, Loisseau, Sherk, ect. fight in these.
"The hard earned victory wasn???t easy for the Albuquerque, New Mexico native, who sampled a taste of the canvas several times in the contest after being on the wrong side of Parisyan???s amazing judo throws."
"Starting the final period with more gas in his tank than the man across from him, the fresh Sanchez went right to work"
Yup I watched the same fight.
So if Diego clearly won the 1st and 3rd rounds, I'm still a little puzzled on how anyone can give Karo the decision.
In my original post, I said the decision could have gone to Karo. I did not give the decision to Karo. Karo won the 1st round to me because all of his successful Judo throws came in that round and all Diego did was land an uppercut and sit on Karo's guard for a little. Karo's skills impressed me more in that round and he looked real confident. It's hard to argue over a 3 round close fight. Judges have different opinions. And since I watched it I am a judge. And that article was just Sherdog's opinion. And I didn't see in it where they gave the 1st round to Diego.
I gave the 1st round to Diego, thats for sure. If you are gonna use the judo throws at least do something with them. They cause no damage, and they did nothing to improve Karo's position. Every thrown either ended up in Diego's guard and in 1 instance Karo giving up his back.
Then takedowns do nothing. Attempted submissions that don't result in tapout to do nothing.
Judo throws do do something man. Getting Judo thrown onto your head doesn't not "cause not damage." Ask anyone who has ever gotten it done to them, including Diego (who got thrown onto his head at one point).
Diego clearly won the third and Karo clearly won the second. I went with Diego in the first, but you can make a case for Karo. Diego hit him with a well place uppercut under the eye the cut Karo. Karo, looked a little stunned after that, but came on hard once he gained his composure. And, take downs do score in the UFC, whether they hurt the opponent or not, just like strikes. The question is the same in boxing. Who wins the fight, the fighter that scores more or the fighter who did the most damage. But, I think Diego, as much as I dislike him, deserved the fight after that finish.
P.S. He will be owned by any of the big three, IMO.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rjYw_BFJabI : Watch starting at 0:35. You tell me that does nothing to the opponent or in the judges eyes?
Thank you. Exactly, how can something as pretty as Judo throw be worth nothing to judges? That's like saying just because a Liddell counter punch that doesn't hurt Sobral or anyone else, the judges just look past it. Makes no sense. That's why it's MMA. All maneuvers and styles from different disciplines have to be accounted for by the judges or else it wouldn't be MMA.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rjYw_BFJabI : Watch starting at 0:35. You tell me that does nothing to the opponent or in the judges eyes?
They were worth nothing because like I said, they did nothing to improve his position. Had he thrown Diego across the ring and mounted him, I would say ok, give him some big points. But the fact is while they were fun to watch, Diego neutralized every one of them. The throw that Diego landed on his head, Karo landed harder on his own head....
And obviously they do nothing in the judges eyes, or else Karo would have won the fight.
They were worth nothing because like I said, they did nothing to improve his position. Had he thrown Diego across the ring and mounted him, I would say ok, give him some big points. But the fact is while they were fun to watch, Diego neutralized every one of them. The throw that Diego landed on his head, Karo landed harder on his own head....
And obviously they do nothing in the judges eyes, or else Karo would have won the fight.
And, the judges are always right.
I forget, who did you have winning the fight?
But you just said they're nothing but cool looking takedowns. I recall at least one of them where Diego had Karo's back while standing and Karo performed one of the throws to reverse the position and take it to the ground. Regardless of the result, he took Diego out of a positive position, took him out of balance and threw him with ease, showing mastery at Judo. Again, the throw alone demonstrates Martial arts and this is MMA. Points easily. Just because he threw him around a little, doesn't mean he beat Diego. No one's arguing that Diego lost the fight. I just said it could've gone either way. Diego's 3rd round won it for him.
If Hughes carries Trigg and slams him but falls into mount or doesn't mount Riggs after the slam, it doesn't matter. He slammed the dude straight up and will get points, just like a throw.
You act like there is some tally sheet that each punch = points and each throw/takedown gets points. ** Newsflash** It's a 10 point must system just like boxing. Only there are more variables to account for, and one HUGE variable that counts in the UFC is "Octagon Control" which we haven't even touched on. If a slam or a throw is neutralized or defended against well, that counts just as much as the throw or takedown in the first place. You've turned this thread from a Diego/Karo fight thread, to a point semantics thread because you didn't even see the whole fight to comment on it properly in the first place..
The fact is the throws didn't do any damage, didn't give Karo any advantage (this time), and were "scored" accordingly. Diego for the win.
From MMA weekly: "Karo proved once again that judo can work in MMA when he unleashed a few different throws that put Diego on his back and landing on his head a couple of times."