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Decker said:There were bad calls but so what? Good teams overcome bad calls. What we witnessed was Mike Holmgren choking in big games again. Lousy clock management--no doubt. Bad Play calling--yup. Seattle plays west coast offense so why the hell is Hasselbeck throwing like Jim Plunkett every other pass downfield? You beat a defense like Pitt's w/ 1st downs, not homeruns. The hawks were smoking Pitt's D w/ short routes. True, Seattle was hit w/ some injuries during the game but adjustments must be made...it's the friggin Superbowl TM. I just think that Holmgren is a good coach who chokes in big games.
I still believe that Seattle was the more talented team.
I know it sucks. They got hosed on that QB dive for touchdown call. I guess the best thing to do there would be for Seattle not to allow a 3rd and 5miles pass to Hines Ward to put the Steelers in that position in the first place.largepkg said:No team good or bad should have to overcome bad calls. Especially in the biggest game on earth that's officiated by the best crew the NFL has to offer.
Pepper said:Dale, were you drunk when you watched this game?
You seem to know very little about it.
just sayin'
Dale Mabry said:Nope, I saw what you saw. I saw dude push off the cornerback in the end zone and get called for it, I saw the kicker miss 2 field goals in perfect conditions, I saw the "Hawks" sit around for 35 seconds in the last minute of the half, I saw Seattle having one man on Ward on 3rd and 28, I saw them give up a gimmick play that i could see happening before the snap, and I also saw them not kick a field goal when it was under 5 minutes and a 2 score game.
If you saw all of that I would pretty much say we saw the same game.
I am not saying the officials were without flaw, but I would say they were no worse than any of the other playoff games and you weren't complaining then. Only difference is your team shot itself in the foot time and time again, just like the Pats did.
Dale Mabry said:but I would say they were no worse than any of the other playoff games and you weren't complaining then.
Goodfella9783 said:Unless of course you're Vinatieri
Dale Mabry said:Nope, I saw what you saw. I saw dude push off the cornerback in the end zone and get called for it, I saw the kicker miss 2 field goals in perfect conditions, I saw the "Hawks" sit around for 35 seconds in the last minute of the half, I saw Seattle having one man on Ward on 3rd and 28, I saw them give up a gimmick play that i could see happening before the snap, and I also saw them not kick a field goal when it was under 5 minutes and a 2 score game.
Pepper said:g that game knows that the officiating sucked. Because it sucked in the past or because Seattle did not play well doest change that one fucking bit.
Dale Mabry said:I was never saying it didn't suck, I was saying it is a constant and good teams perservere. Each playoff game had multiple bad calls, some even bad after review. I can think of only 1 that was blatantly horrible in the Super Bowl...The blocking call on Hasselback. Every other one could have been called either way. The PI call was a push off, no matter how slight it was. The holding call, while not typically called, was in essence a hold, he hooked him.
Wilbon just said Roethlisberger said he wasn't in on Letterman and I would certainly say that could be a bad call. I thought he was in, but I am sure Ben knows better than me.
Pepper said:The holding call on Locklear? Got TIVO? Go watch it. It aint there. The other calls were judgement, but they seem to all go against Seattle and they are were questionable. Find me the hold on the punt return? Did Ben get in? I don't know but that one went against us too. Call after call after call.
As for Djax offensive interference...if that is OI, I can live with it, he did push off, but FUCKING CALL IT THAT WAY ALL THE TIME! That call is NEVER made. I heard at least three DBs on the way home from Detroit yesterday say that that is simply not called. Why start then?
Shaun was horse-collared by Porter..they didn't call it and should not have. If you don't call something all year, don't start in the SB.
Hlanderr said:A great game of football was played on both sides of the ball.
largepkg said:I am truly dumbfounded by anyone who says the refs didn't decide this game. I certainly don't subscribe to conspiracy theory but they effected the outcome. How can this be denied? The talk around the country is about how bad the refs screwed this superbowl up. These are people without bias who are fans of other team saying this.
This had the potential to be a great superbowl if only the refs stayed out of the way.
Black and white is exactly that.
A little off topic but the NFL should change pass interference penalties to mirror that of College football. One penalty should not kill/ruin a game as consistently as PI does.gr81 said:....as for the officiating, your right it has been horrible this year overall, not just this game, I mean that Denver/NE game that PI was ridiculous....
Dale Mabry said:Yes, but the unbiased people who are saying the refs were bad also say that Seattle decided the game, not the refs.
Decker said:A little off topic but the NFL should change pass interference penalties to mirror that of College football. One penalty should not kill/ruin a game as consistently as PI does.
I can live with that. Look at PI--the big penalty is only available if the ball is catchable. If a db gets beat by a WR by a step and the DB interferes w/ him to disrupt the play, then you have illegal contact-a different penalty--b/c the ball is not catchable or in play but you still have the illegal contact. IN short, if the DB blows up the play b/c he's been beaten by the WR then the appropriate penalty already exists.Triple Threat said:
If a defensive back knows he's about to get beat on a 40-50 yd pass play, he'll just commit the infraction, knowing all they'll lose is 15 yds.
Pepper said:I don't argue that but you sound as if Pitt dominated.
Seattle outplayed them, check the stats. Seattle "choked" b/c they gave up some ridiculous plays. You do that, you lose.
You give up ridiculous big plays AND get screwed by the refs, you lose to a good team by 11 points.
If Seattle finishes two drives, they have a big lead. However, they DID essentially finish two drives and the refs called them back for dubious fouls.
I just don't see how any reasonable person can deny that Seattle got screwed. Yes, they screwed themselves too. (You have to say that everytime or someone will flame you for "blaming the refs.")
Dale Mabry said:Seattle had more yards then they did, they didn't outplay them. They outplayed them in the alumni area, but got beat in the redzone because they were never there. Name both dubious fouls...I know the holding is one, what is the other.
largepkg said:The Hasselback illegal chop block that set up the big play.
Dale Mabry said:That was on an interception return, how could that have put Seattle in the Red Zone?