Humans are viruses with shoes

[KelJu]

Earthlings

 

[FishOrCutBait]

Earthlings

I wanted to watch something before I go to bed, not something that will make me cry myself to sleep.

 

[KelJu]

I wanted to watch something before I go to bed, not something that will make me cry myself to sleep.

Yeah, well I haven't cried in a long mother fucking time, but I shed some tears while watching this. I made myself watch it.

I now have some big decisions to make, because I refuse to be part of this in any way. That means I might have to give up bodybuilding. I have to figure out how I can hold onto most of my size on a strict vegatertion diet with the exception of eatign animals that I know did not suffer like the animals do that go through commercial slaughter houses.

I'm not a PETA fag. I will still eat meat sometimes, but it will be meat that I killed myself in a merciful way, or meat that I witnessed the death of.

I will also not wear leather if I can help it, and I will never wear furs.

I encourage all of you to watch the video. Ignorance is bliss, and most people don't want to know the things in this documentary. Imagine what would have happened to the Jews if everyone turned their back and pretended like it wasn't happening. Well the same thing is happening to other emotional creatures only on a more horrific scale. I didn't know. Well, now I do so I am taking a stand.

 

[DOMS]

You just said that you're not a "PETA fag", but by trying to link livestock to the Jewish slaughter, you're towing the same crappy line they are.

It's not even in the same ballpark. One is a human being, the other is an animal bred for food.

 

[PreMier]

Watched part of it.. and I will watch the rest. for now i feel bad for being a speciest(sp) But I have seen a lot and worked in slaughter house before. That was the true test if I was a vegetarian or not. Im a hunter/predator, and will always eat meat though. I do respect your views though

 

[KelJu]

You just said that you're not a "PETA fag", but by trying to link livestock to the Jewish slaughter, you're towing the same crappy line they are.

It's not even in the same ballpark. One is a human being, the other is an animal bred for food.

Wait a minute god damn it. I'm not judging any of you, and I'm not trying to make you do anything you don't want to do. I was simply posting a video that I found disturbing and educational that will probably be one of those moments in my life that I look back on one day and say changed my life. As anyone can see, every statement I made was about me with the only exception being my opinion about human beings and their treatment of other species and each other. If you watch the video, you will see that my analogy is valid.

I didn't know most of what was in the video, and my ignorance was why I lived the way I did. Now that I know what I know, I will live differently. I assumed there might be a few others on this board that would also live differently if they knew the truth of how we treat animals.

If you don't give a shit, then don't watch it or don't change. It won't effect me, thats for sure. This is a personal choice for me. PETA, on the other hand, would like nothing more than to make their beliefs law. They want to take your right to live your life as you choose away. They are fanatics that try to ram whaling ships, and have protest in front of KFC rather than try to educate people in a sensible way.

Frankly, I am disappointed that you would compare me to them.

 

[KelJu]

Watched part of it.. and I will watch the rest. for now i feel bad for being a speciest(sp) But I have seen a lot and worked in slaughter house before. That was the true test if I was a vegetarian or not. Im a hunter/predator, and will always eat meat though. I do respect your views though

I am also a hunter/predator. I will have to take up hunting again to keep enough meat supplied to hold onto some of my size. I was forced to hunt as a child and hated it, but now I need a new source of meat, and I am now glad that I know how. I feel very little remorse killing an animal to eat it, if I do it in a merciful way. That includes shooting a deer in the head with my 7mm Remington Magnum.

I think I am being more than rational.

 

[DOMS]

Wait a minute god damn it. I'm not judging any of you, and I'm not trying to make you do anything you don't want to do. I was simply posting a video that I found disturbing and educational that will probably be one of those moments in my life that I look back on one day and say changed my life. As anyone can see, every statement I made was about me with the only exception being my opinion about human beings and their treatment of other species and each other. If you watch the video, you will see that my analogy is valid.

I didn't know most of what was in the video, and my ignorance was why I lived the way I did. Now that I know what I know, I will live differently. I assumed there might be a few others on this board that would also live differently if they knew the truth of how we treat animals.

If you don't give a shit, then don't watch it or don't change. It won't effect me, thats for sure. This is a personal choice for me. PETA, on the other hand, would like nothing more than to make their beliefs law. They want to take your right to live your life as you choose away. They are fanatics that try to ram whaling ships, and have protest in front of KFC rather than try to educate people in a sensible way.

Frankly, I am disappointed that you would compare me to them.

The linking of slaughter houses to the mass murder of humans is the very meat of PETA's ideology. Whether you realize it or not, you're towing their line. And, keep in mind, that you posted your opinion after watching a PETA propaganda movie.

And yes, it is propaganda. The biggest part of which is that they put livestock on the same level as human and pets. That movie is a sloshing mess of real, horrible, problems on this planet in regards to humans, pets, wild animals and tries to mix in the lives of livestock animals as if all of the problems are the same. Well, they're not. A wild animal is a creature born and raised in the wild with whom we share our planet. They should be respected and given space. The same applies for pets. Cattle however, are animals that are bred, raised, and killed in captivity for the sole purpose of providing food.

I've spent the last 7 years living in, or traveling in, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana. The traveling conditions, living conditions, and practices (cutting off the horns) that they show in the movie are pure bullshit. Each and every cow is an investment of valuable money for the ranchers. There's no way in hell they would let a single cow die needlessly. I've seen cattle in transit more times than I can remember and I've never seen a trailer packed in the way the movie shows. Hell, several of the ranches that I've been to had permanent on-staff veterinarians.

I'm not saying that there aren't cattle that are treated that way, but it's not the standard in the US. Maybe that's how it was in the US years past, or how it is in third-world countries, but it's certainly not the norm in the US (or the Western part of the US, anyway). Which is quite contrary to the statement made at the beginning of that movie.

Lastly, keep in mind that I'm not coming down on you, I'm pointing out that, in my opinion, you seem to be falling for PETA's propaganda. Yeah, animals raised for food aren't living the good life, but they're also not living the way that the movie represents (within the limitations that I previously wrote).

You don't buy into the crap that the news agencies put out, why fall for this one?

 

[KelJu]

The linking of slaughter houses to the mass murder of humans is the very meat of PETA's ideology. Whether you realize it or not, you're towing their line. And, keep in mind, that you posted your opinion after watching a PETA propaganda movie.

And yes, it is propaganda. The biggest part of which is that they put livestock on the same level as human and pets. That movie is a sloshing mess of real, horrible, problems on this planet in regards to humans, pets, wild animals and tries to mix in the lives of livestock animals as if all of the problems are the same. Well, they're not. A wild animal is a creature born and raised in the wild with whom we share our planet. They should be respected and given space. The same applies for pets. Cattle however, are animals that are bred, raised, and killed in captivity for the sole purpose of providing food.

I've spent the last 7 years living in, or traveling in, Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana. The traveling conditions, living conditions, and practices (cutting off the horns) that they show in the movie are pure bullshit. Each and every cow is an investment of valuable money for the ranchers. There's no way in hell they would let a single cow die needlessly. I've seen cattle in transit more times than I can remember and I've never seen a trailer packed in the way the movie shows. Hell, several of the ranches that I've been to had permanent on-staff veterinarians.

I'm not saying that there aren't cattle that are treated that way, but it's not the standard in the US. Maybe that's how it was in the US years past, or how it is in third-world countries, but it's certainly not the norm in the US (or the Western part of the US, anyway). Which is quite contrary to the statement made at the beginning of that movie.

Lastly, keep in mind that I'm not coming down on you, I'm pointing out that, in my opinion, you seem to be falling for PETA's propaganda. Yeah, animals raised for food aren't living the good life, but they're also not living the way that the movie represents (within the limitations that I previously wrote).

You don't buy into the crap that the news agencies put out, why fall for this one?

Because, I saw it. I have seen bits and pieces first hand growing up and working on farms.

There is one extreme which is this video on the left side of the spectrum. Then, there is the reading rainbow how cows produce milk on the sugar coated right side of the spectrum. I believe neither side, but like my opinions of world events in the news, I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle, and I still do now want to take part in it.

I worked in chicken houses as a teenager, and saw how they were treated. Its a pathetic life, and I can only hope that chickens are too dumb to understand their own suffering. That is how I made peace with myself then, but it was a cop out. I watched my friends walk through their dad's chicken commercial chicken houses bashing chickens in the head with baseball bats and golf clubs to kill the chickens that look like they may be coming down with illness.

Its not propaganda when you see with your own eyes.

 

[DOMS]

Because, I saw it. I have seen bits and pieces first hand growing up and working on farms.

There is one extreme which is this video on the left side of the spectrum. Then, there is the reading rainbow how cows produce milk on the sugar coated right side of the spectrum. I believe neither side, but like my opinions of world events in the news, I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle, and I still do now want to take part in it.

I worked in chicken houses as a teenager, and saw how they were treated. Its a pathetic life, and I can only hope that chickens are too dumb to understand their own suffering. That is how I made peace with myself then, but it was a cop out. I watched my friends walk through their dad's chicken commercial chicken houses bashing chickens in the head with baseball bats and golf clubs to kill the chickens that look like they may be coming down with illness.

Its not propaganda when you see with your own eyes.

Fine, like I said, it's not all roses for livestock. But that movie uses so much spin, as I've outlined before, that it's pathetic. During the voice over, when the word "sexism" is spoken, they show a black African woman in chains in a picture from at least 80 years ago. That's propaganda.

My point in talking to you isn't to validate some aspect of my life by getting you to eat mass-produced meat. My point is that, if you do stop eating it, make sure that you do it for real reasons, and not because someone else fooled you.

As for me, I'm going to eat a chicken salad.

 

[KelJu]

Fine, like I said, it's not all roses for livestock. But that movie uses so much spin, as I've outlined before, that it's pathetic. During the voice over, when the word "sexism" is spoken, they show a black African woman in chains in a picture from at least 80 years ago. That's propaganda.

My point in talking to you isn't to validate some aspect of my life by getting you to eat mass-produced meat. My point is that, if you do stop eating it, make sure that you do it for real reasons, and not because someone else fooled you.

As for me, I'm going to eat a chicken salad.

I believe I am doing for the right reasons. Hopefully you know me well enough to know that I won't stop here. I plan to do a lot more learning about all of this to get closer to the truth. Until I get closer to the truth I will take no chances. I'll be getting goat milk and goat cheese from my buddy who is a buddhist that works on a co-op farm. He milks the goats himself each morning like they did years ago. I will also be eating a ton of veggies.

Hell, in the grand scheme of things, I will probably be healthier by cutting out mass produced meat and poultry from my diet.

 

[DOMS]

I believe I am doing for the right reasons. Hopefully you know me well enough to know that I won't stop here. I plan to do a lot more learning about all of this to get closer to the truth. Until I get closer to the truth I will take no chances. I'll be getting goat milk and goat cheese from my buddy who is a buddhist that works on a co-op farm. He milks the goats himself each morning like they did years ago. I will also be eating a ton of veggies.

Hell, in the grand scheme of things, I will probably be healthier by cutting out mass produced meat and poultry from my diet.

Hell, I'd go with the goat milk and cheese anyway!

And you could always just buy your meat from other hunters. I purchased a whole side of dear that way.

Again, don't think that I'm dumping on you, I just don't like to see people fall for other people's spin. That's why I don't watch news on the teevee and I make sure to get my news online from a variety of sources.

 

[BoneCrusher]

For various reasons I worked in a slaughter house in Nebraska for a short while. The work force was 95% Mexican and of that ... 99% were illegals. The standards were as was seen in that clip regarding killing the livestock with air tools. The Mexicans doing the job were ruthless and heartless. Many times the animal didn't die from the bolt in the head and was hoisted up and moved along to die by being bled out and and carved up. That's that way it was done where I was at. A slaughter house makes its money by production and they don't wait for the product to die before they do their work. The line moves on.

This is a tough issue brother K, but not one you will need to stop lifting over. Meat isn't why you are big. The reason you are big and getting bigger is because of your genetics not the meat eat. What ever you get from meat you can get from another source.

Revamp your diet and keep on "meating" your potential

 

[NeilPearson]

You can gain mass getting all your protein from plant sources... just make sure you get complete proteins

 

[maniclion]

I don't eat mammals, I still eat fish, chicken, eggs and milk...

You could always try free range....

 

[Little Wing]

my brothers worked in a slaughter house in georgia. they said the pigs were often alive when they were dropped into the boiling water and they'd have to use a pole to keep them in the water while they struggled desperately to get out. they weren't dropped in the tanks alive on purpose it was just that sometimes so much blood splashed from one to another it'd seem ones throat had been cut when it hadn't.

some stuff in this film is propagandaish sure but there's enough reality in it to make you reconsider your position on meat. i eat chicken and fish and on rare occasions beef. red meat seems to make my system go from full speed to sluggish in one meal. i don't think your body will suffer any eliminating it from your diet.

 

[tucker01]

Viruses or Parasites?

 

[KelJu]

All good ideas. The whole stopping bodybuilding thing was rash. I am sure I can continue without problems, but I am going to have to spend a little extra money and buy from my friends co-op. All of their animals are free rain, even the chickens.

I am eating all of the beef, pork, chicken, and fish out of my fridge. I won't waste it, that would be even more disrespectful.

I will still try to put other people on the path to educating themselves about these horid conditions, but I won't push it onto people who don't care.

 

[PreMier]

For various reasons I worked in a slaughter house in Nebraska for a short while. The work force was 95% Mexican and of that ... 99% were illegals. The standards were as was seen in that clip regarding killing the livestock with air tools. The Mexicans doing the job were ruthless and heartless. Many times the animal didn't die from the bolt in the head and was hoisted up and moved along to die by being bled out and and carved up. That's that way it was done where I was at. A slaughter house makes its money by production and they don't wait for the product to die before they do their work. The line moves on.

This is a tough issue brother K, but not one you will need to stop lifting over. Meat isn't why you are big. The reason you are big and getting bigger is because of your genetics not the meat eat. What ever you get from meat you can get from another source.

Revamp your diet and keep on "meating" your potential

Could you eat meat after your first day? I couldnt eat beef for over a week.. the smell made me gag after working there.. then I was de sensatized ofcourse, and started eating it again.

 

[Crono1000]

Titanya started vegetarianism almost a year ago, and I've more or less become one since I eat what she makes and it never includes meat. But at the same time the information about animal cruelty has really made me join the cause. What I will never understand (well, I do actually but not in a single ironmag post) is why non-vegetarians get so emotionally invested in vegetarian discussions and so quick to attack. Because of this I just choose to avoid the topic completely

 

[DOMS]

What I will never understand (well, I do actually but not in a single ironmag post) is why non-vegetarians get so emotionally invested in vegetarian discussions and so quick to attack.

The same can be said about vegetarians. One things for sure, I've never called a vegetarian a murderer.

 

[KelJu]

Titanya started vegetarianism almost a year ago, and I've more or less become one since I eat what she makes and it never includes meat. But at the same time the information about animal cruelty has really made me join the cause. What I will never understand (well, I do actually but not in a single ironmag post) is why non-vegetarians get so emotionally invested in vegetarian discussions and so quick to attack. Because of this I just choose to avoid the topic completely

I never cared one way or the other until now. I have always heard people make fun of vegetarians, but rarely have I ever heard of vegetarians make fun of other people unless they were PETA retards.

 

[squanto]

The same can be said about vegetarians. One things for sure, I've never called a vegetarian a murderer.

what about all the poor rodents and insects that tractors on a farm run over, while harvesting your green death?

 

[squanto]

eating animals is natural IMO, other animals eat animals, so i think it's morally OK.

however, i think if we can afford it, and have the resources, they should be treated more humanely. i think it must be safer/healthier to do so anyway. it can't be good for you to eat chickens that bathe in each others' feces all day.

i think it will only get better, people are becoming more conscious of this kind of thing. i say, remember where we came from before we complain about where we are, but don't let that stop us from moving forward.

 

[maniclion]

The same can be said about vegetarians. One things for sure, I've never called a vegetarian a murderer.

They murder vegetables, have you ever heard the scream of a radish? Then you have the little bunnies and that baby deer bedded down in the field when the harvester machine comes rumbling through and decapitates them. What about all of the fruits they eat, the mothers womb full of little seedling and they have no compassion as they slice and dice, boil, fry and devour them.....

 

[DOMS]

They murder vegetables, have you ever heard the scream of a radish? Then you have the little bunnies and that baby deer bedded down in the field when the harvester machine comes rumbling through and decapitates them. What about all of the fruits they eat, the mothers womb full of little seedling and they have no compassion as they slice and dice, boil, fry and devour them.....

My point was that I've seen more rabid vegetarians than those who eat meat. Which is counter to what Crono said.

 

[squanto]

They murder vegetables, have you ever heard the scream of a radish? Then you have the little bunnies and that baby deer bedded down in the field when the harvester machine comes rumbling through and decapitates them. What about all of the fruits they eat, the mothers womb full of little seedling and they have no compassion as they slice and dice, boil, fry and devour them.....

yes!!!

 

[DOMS]

Do vegetarians eat pussy?

 

[maniclion]

Do vegetarians eat pussy?

No but pussies eat vegetarians....

 

[KelJu]

No but pussies eat vegetarians....