WAKE UP: more is not better

[bjg]

i see here many people very excited about all kinds of supplements and are more excited if they find out that these supplements contain more crap than legally allowed and start insulting FDA and doctors etc..if they ban such supplement. well here is the fact: a good proper diet in civilized countries does not require ANY vitamins and supplements, How can you tell that you need more vitamins and supplements??????the body takes what it needs , excess vitamins and supplements is not better, the more is not the better , on the contrary the body tries to eliminate any excess nutrients and if this excess is over a certain limit then it puts too much load on the liver.. kidneys..etc...and most supplements contain artificial crap that would be stored in the body and cannot be processes thus harming liver etc...
even when you work out supplementation and vitamins needed is minimal not nearly as much as companies selling them advertise. try to get most of the nutrients needed from proper diet and minimize artificial supplements.
as far as hormonal supplements: the body if healthy is an amazing machine and works on a very delicate balance, testosterone production varies depending on many variables and depends on many factors and other hormones, when you inject extra hormones you screw up this balance and something is gonna get hurt, you gain from one side and you loose from another side. Only medical tests can determine how to restore proper hormonal balance.
The catch here is that side effects and problems will not be detected in a short term giving you the illusion that you are ok, but in the long run things can accumulate. Also some people can tolerate things like steroids better than others and can use steroids for a long time with no side effects but others can't so it is like playing russian roulette.
So instead of wasting your time, money and health on crap , ..take my advice i ve been training for ages :concentrate on your training.

 

[GreenOx]

"when you inject extra hormones you screw up this balance and something is gonna get hurt, you gain from one side and you loose from another side. Only medical tests can determine how to restore proper hormonal balance."

I agree with some of what you are saying, sometimes injecting hormones stabilizes the balances that cannot be gained from diet alone. sooner or later you run out...time to rev is back up. lets take HGH for example, to get REAL blood work done to determine your HGH level you would have to spend most of the day at your Dr's facility and it would take a minimum of 6-8 blood drawls under certain conditions. the test most Dr.'s assign is an IGF-1 test that is NOT accurate checking HGH levels but insulin levels, they go hand in hand but insulin is the trigger..not the actual HGH, I have a 9MM but I don't have any bullets.

 

[bjg]

"when you inject extra hormones you screw up this balance and something is gonna get hurt, you gain from one side and you loose from another side. Only medical tests can determine how to restore proper hormonal balance."

I agree with some of what you are saying, sometimes injecting hormones stabilizes the balances that cannot be gained from diet alone. sooner or later you run out...time to rev is back up. lets take HGH for example, to get REAL blood work done to determine your HGH level you would have to spend most of the day at your Dr's facility and it would take a minimum of 6-8 blood drawls under certain conditions. the test most Dr.'s assign is an IGF-1 test that is NOT accurate checking HGH levels but insulin levels, they go hand in hand but insulin is the trigger..not the actual HGH, I have a 9MM but I don't have any bullets.

as you said it is not that easy and blood work is required by a professional not by advice obtained on the forum ..... unless you have symptoms of low level hormone of some sort there is no need for anything.

 

[GreenOx]

Very True!

 

[Arnold]

i see here many people very excited about all kinds of supplements and are more excited if they find out that these supplements contain more crap than legally allowed and start insulting FDA and doctors etc..if they ban such supplement.

the FDA does not know shit nor do they ban anything because of health reasons, you obviously have no idea how the FDA operates, what their motives are and who funds them. the same goes with "doctors", most know little to nothing when it comes to supplements as well as diet and nutrition, BUT they do know how to prescribe you drugs to "fix" all of your ailments that big pharma makes up in order to create and market a new poison, I mean a new drug.

well here is the fact: a good proper diet in civilized countries does not require ANY vitamins and supplements, How can you tell that you need more vitamins and supplements??????the body takes what it needs , excess vitamins and supplements is not better, the more is not the better , on the contrary the body tries to eliminate any excess nutrients and if this excess is over a certain limit then it puts too much load on the liver.. kidneys..etc...and most supplements contain artificial crap that would be stored in the body and cannot be processes thus harming liver etc...
even when you work out supplementation and vitamins needed is minimal not nearly as much as companies selling them advertise. try to get most of the nutrients needed from proper diet and minimize artificial supplements.

wrong again, in this day and age the way food is grown it lacks vitamins and minerals, the only way to get proper nutrition is to supplement your diet. the amount of stress that is put on the liver and kidneys by taking a multivitamin or other supplement is minimal.

as far as hormonal supplements: the body if healthy is an amazing machine and works on a very delicate balance, testosterone production varies depending on many variables and depends on many factors and other hormones, when you inject extra hormones you screw up this balance and something is gonna get hurt, you gain from one side and you loose from another side. Only medical tests can determine how to restore proper hormonal balance.
The catch here is that side effects and problems will not be detected in a short term giving you the illusion that you are ok, but in the long run things can accumulate. Also some people can tolerate things like steroids better than others and can use steroids for a long time with no side effects but others can't so it is like playing russian roulette.
So instead of wasting your time, money and health on crap , ..take my advice i ve been training for ages :concentrate on your training.

this is for the most part true, but there are safe ways to use hormones and benefit from them, either way I do not know of ONE person that ever died from using testosterone. the media and government wants people to believe this but its simply not true.

the real problem as far as health is people's shitty diets, processed food, fast food, too much sugar, excess saturated fats, etc. on top of that the amount of prescription drugs people are using to combat things that their crappy diets and lack of exercise causes, e.g. diabetes.

it's people like you passing on mis-information and blowing things out of proportion that are more of a problem, not to mention thinking that the FDA and doctor's are trying to keep people healthy, that is laughable. our medical community is not in the business of preventing health problems, they just try and fix the problem with more drugs once it arises rather than looking at the root causes of people's health issues and addressing those they will just give you a new drug.

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO WAKE UP MY FRIEND!

 

[bjg]

the FDA does not know shit nor do they ban anything because of health reasons, you obviously have no idea how the FDA operates, what their motives are and who funds them. the same goes with "doctors", most know little to nothing when it comes to supplements as well as diet and nutrition, BUT they do know how to prescribe you drugs to "fix" all of your ailments that big pharma makes up in order to create and market a new poison, I mean a new drug.



wrong again, in this day and age the way food is grown it lacks vitamins and minerals, the only way to get proper nutrition is to supplement your diet. the amount of stress that is put on the liver and kidneys by taking a multivitamin or other supplement is minimal.




this is for the most part true, but there are safe ways to use hormones and benefit from them, either way I do not know of ONE person that ever died from using testosterone. the media and government wants people to believe this but its simply not true.

the real problem as far as health is people's shitty diets, processed food, fast food, too much sugar, excess saturated fats, etc. on top of that the amount of prescription drugs people are using to combat things that their crappy diets and lack of exercise causes, e.g. diabetes.

it's people like you passing on mis-information and blowing things out of proportion that are more of a problem, not to mention thinking that the FDA and doctor's are trying to keep people healthy, that is laughable. our medical community is not in the business of preventing health problems, they just try and fix the problem with more drugs once it arises rather than looking at the root causes of people's health issues and addressing those they will just give you a new drug.

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO WAKE UP MY FRIEND!

if you think i am blowing things out of proportion go visit the anabolic zone and see how many have problems and this is only the ones admitting it: one guy 18 years old cannot get it up, anothers arm is leaking crap he injected, another shoulder is leaking puss and brown stuff and so on and so on... , then once they are in the shit they run to the doctor who supposedly don't know anything. (And the most ridiculous is when they inject steroids in their biceps...who in a fuck injects anything in the biceps!!!! and what difference does it make except it can cause internal bleeding and infection and yes your biceps will grow from blood and infection accumulating...at least you want to do steroids do it properly) ...anyways lets not open a new subject...let me tell you my friend it is not the doctors or the fda that benefits from banning stuff it is those companies advertising their crap who are the ONLY ones who benefit. On the contrary doctors benefit if you take steroids because they will have to treat your ass when you are in shit. And also doctors study many years i don't know who is your doctor but mine knows much more than you and all the rest of this forum on steroids how they are synthesized absorbed etc...and about supplements etc...and he knows the real facts the ones he learned in REAL medical books not the info you gather from the internet. I am an engineer a professor in biomedical engineering and most of the things i read on the internet related to some subject of my expertise is totally crap.

 

[suprfast]

What the fuck is up with this BlowJobGary guy? He hates all this shit so much yet sticks around.

 

[FitnessFreek]

Dude just likes talkin crap about people he doesn't even know haha. Prince wins for best response!

 

[bjg]

What the fuck is up with this BlowJobGary guy? He hates all this shit so much yet sticks around.

i am here to teach you a lesson on what is bodybuilding , if you spend more time training properly rather than searching for a miracle potion and miracle supplements perhaps then you can become a true bodybuilder. Coming from a true bodybuilder who lifted weights long before your mom met your dad

 

[ThreeGigs]

Ahh, but bjg, you see if steroids were legal, then *anyone* could simply go to their doctor, pay him, and get professionally administered steroids. With a trained professional giving injections in the right places, in the right amounts, and of good quality. Instead it's all underground.

There's a friggin' Botox boutique in the mall near where I work. Walk in and get injected, no problem. Cosmetic surgery? No problem, all legal. Eye surgery to improve vision? Not only legal but hell, it can even be covered by insurance. Shit, I can walk down the street and get a needle in my arm 10,000 times for a tattoo. Legally.

Your argument about eating healthy food has absolutely nothing to do with steroids, since anyone on steroids *still* needs to eat healthy, perhaps even pay more attention to a healthy diet than unassisted lifters.

The first question to really ask is: Why are steroids banned?
The answer is: Because sports bodies deem them 'unfair'.
Well you know what? I don't compete. I don't play sports. And I can't go to a doctor and get put on a good, solid, professionally designed and administered anabolic prescription tailored to my bloodwork. All because some baseball players did and had an unfair advantage.

So even though I don't use gear, never have and _probably_ never will, it still irks me that anabolic steroids aren't legal, because in truth, there's no really good reason for them NOT to be legal, although regulated like so many other cosmetic procedures available today.

 

[bjg]

Ahh, but bjg, you see if steroids were legal, then *anyone* could simply go to their doctor, pay him, and get professionally administered steroids. With a trained professional giving injections in the right places, in the right amounts, and of good quality. Instead it's all underground.

There's a friggin' Botox boutique in the mall near where I work. Walk in and get injected, no problem. Cosmetic surgery? No problem, all legal. Eye surgery to improve vision? Not only legal but hell, it can even be covered by insurance. Shit, I can walk down the street and get a needle in my arm 10,000 times for a tattoo. Legally.

Your argument about eating healthy food has absolutely nothing to do with steroids, since anyone on steroids *still* needs to eat healthy, perhaps even pay more attention to a healthy diet than unassisted lifters.

The first question to really ask is: Why are steroids banned?
The answer is: Because sports bodies deem them 'unfair'.
Well you know what? I don't compete. I don't play sports. And I can't go to a doctor and get put on a good, solid, professionally designed and administered anabolic prescription tailored to my bloodwork. All because some baseball players did and had an unfair advantage.

So even though I don't use gear, never have and _probably_ never will, it still irks me that anabolic steroids aren't legal, because in truth, there's no really good reason for them NOT to be legal, although regulated like so many other cosmetic procedures available today.

glad you are not using steroids... steroids are legal , but you can't get them without prescription and the reason why is exactly the same why some other medications need prescription: health risks...and in fact you can go to a doctor and he can prescribe to you steroids , steroids are prescribed for many health reasons and cases all the time, even pro bodybuilders get them from doctors..but if you are a regular guy with no health issues and you just want steroids to build muscle then of course a decent doctor will disagree with you because he is decent. if steroids where good to you then you see doctors giving themselves injections and to their children too.....there is another alternative to get muscle mass , it is called training.
a substance like bottox or any other drug to become legal it undergoes lots of studying and years of research before it is approved. And still it comes with risks that you should be warned off.
each drug has risks some are more important than others and this is why some are authorized over the counter and some are not.

 

[sofargone561]

i am here to teach you a lesson on what is bodybuilding , if you spend more time training properly rather than searching for a miracle potion and miracle supplements perhaps then you can become a true bodybuilder. Coming from a true bodybuilder who lifted weights long before your mom met your dad

POST PICS OF YOU CONTESTS AND TROPHY'S..... oh ya thats right ur 89 years old and in a wheel chair. i wish i didnt neg u today just so i couldf negg u again right now

 

[sofargone561]

btw ur daughter doesnt mind when im on the test. she said she likes rolling around un ur wheel chair cuz she cant walk. HAHAHA and you thought she just wanted to be like ur sorry as

 

[GreenOx]

Ahh, but bjg, you see if steroids were legal, then *anyone* could simply go to their doctor, pay him, and get professionally administered steroids. With a trained professional giving injections in the right places, in the right amounts, and of good quality. Instead it's all underground.

There's a friggin' Botox boutique in the mall near where I work. Walk in and get injected, no problem. Cosmetic surgery? No problem, all legal. Eye surgery to improve vision? Not only legal but hell, it can even be covered by insurance. Shit, I can walk down the street and get a needle in my arm 10,000 times for a tattoo. Legally.

Your argument about eating healthy food has absolutely nothing to do with steroids, since anyone on steroids *still* needs to eat healthy, perhaps even pay more attention to a healthy diet than unassisted lifters.

The first question to really ask is: Why are steroids banned?
The answer is: Because sports bodies deem them 'unfair'.
Well you know what? I don't compete. I don't play sports. And I can't go to a doctor and get put on a good, solid, professionally designed and administered anabolic prescription tailored to my bloodwork. All because some baseball players did and had an unfair advantage.

So even though I don't use gear, never have and _probably_ never will, it still irks me that anabolic steroids aren't legal, because in truth, there's no really good reason for them NOT to be legal, although regulated like so many other cosmetic procedures available today.

OUTSTANDING RESPONSE!

 

[bjg]

btw ur daughter doesnt mind when im on the test. she said she likes rolling around un ur wheel chair cuz she cant walk. HAHAHA and you thought she just wanted to be like ur sorry as

sfg just get lost you proved to me that you are not worth it

 

[sofargone561]

sfg just get lost you proved to me that you are not worth it

Becuase of how fucking awesome i am. your a peasant. no... ur a slave peasants get more respect then you. I will not get lost mamacita i was here b4 u got here and ill be here till the day ur old ass dies has a stroke while playing simulated gold indoors becuase your to fat and lazy to even take it outside

 

[suprfast]

i am here to teach you a lesson on what is bodybuilding , if you spend more time training properly rather than searching for a miracle potion and miracle supplements perhaps then you can become a true bodybuilder. Coming from a true bodybuilder who lifted weights long before your mom met your dad

You sound like a Christian. Can't save us all fucktard. Glad I asked for a miracle potion. Can someone just ban this douche.

 

[littlekev]

Want to neg him, but hes got lots of neg, do i rep him? He needs to stay in the red, but to much red are we giving him what he wants? AHHH what to do............

 

[sofargone561]

Want to neg him, but hes got lots of neg, do i rep him? He needs to stay in the red, but to much red are we giving him what he wants? AHHH what to do............

i neg hi8m everyday. theirs ur answer

 

[littlekev]

i neg hi8m everyday. theirs ur answer

I agree sofargone! I just ran into another post, this fool is getting negged, he needs to go the fuck AWAY!

 

[slownsteady]

Test is not for everyone, just guys like me you all.

 

[Hench]

Can you get a red star for negs?


That would be pretty cool.....lets get to work fellas.

 

[bjg]

ha ha funny comments

 

[Kenny Croxdale]

i see here many people very excited about all kinds of supplements and are more excited if they find out that these supplements contain more crap than legally allowed and start insulting FDA and doctors etc..if they ban such supplement. well here is the fact: a good proper diet in civilized countries does not require ANY vitamins and supplements, How can you tell that you need more vitamins and supplements??????the body takes what it needs , excess vitamins and supplements is not better, the more is not the better , on the contrary the body tries to eliminate any excess nutrients and if this excess is over a certain limit then it puts too much load on the liver.. kidneys..etc...and most supplements contain artificial crap that would be stored in the body and cannot be processes thus harming liver etc...
even when you work out supplementation and vitamins needed is minimal not nearly as much as companies selling them advertise. try to get most of the nutrients needed from proper diet and minimize artificial supplements.
as far as hormonal supplements: the body if healthy is an amazing machine and works on a very delicate balance, testosterone production varies depending on many variables and depends on many factors and other hormones, when you inject extra hormones you screw up this balance and something is gonna get hurt, you gain from one side and you loose from another side. Only medical tests can determine how to restore proper hormonal balance.
The catch here is that side effects and problems will not be detected in a short term giving you the illusion that you are ok, but in the long run things can accumulate. Also some people can tolerate things like steroids better than others and can use steroids for a long time with no side effects but others can't so it is like playing russian roulette.
So instead of wasting your time, money and health on crap , ..take my advice i ve been training for ages :concentrate on your training.

Prince

I was going to reply but then I read Prince's reply. Prince nailed it.

Smart Dumb Guy

bjg having a PhD makes you one of smartest dumb guy around.

Summantion

"YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO WAKE UP MY FRIEND!"

Kenny Croxdale

 

[banker23]

Can you get a red star for negs?


That would be pretty cool.....lets get to work fellas.

I am so in! but alas I have given out too much rep in the last 24 hours...

 

[banker23]

You sound like a Christian. Can't save us all fucktard. Glad I asked for a miracle potion. Can someone just ban this douche.

Not a Christian...more like Westboro Baptists (the wackos that protest soldiers funerals and claim soldiers' deaths are God's judgement for allowing gays in the military).

Jesus ate with publicans and sinners and the religious leaders of his time criticized him for it because he did not lead a self righteous life like they expected. Christians, or Christ followers, would follow the example of Jesus, not the pharisees. Unfortunately, too many professed Christians think they are saved by their own goodness instead of the grace of God.

I am a sinner saved by grace and I hope I never forget that. My beliefs don't allow Christ to be mocked without making a defense so let's try not to tar a whole religion or belief system because of the intolerance of many adherents. I respect everyone's search for truth and meaning wherever it may lead.

 

[ThreeGigs]

Want to neg him, but hes got lots of neg, do i rep him? He needs to stay in the red, but to much red are we giving him what he wants? AHHH what to do............

You know what's funny? He actually gives decent advice in the training forums. No one takes it seriously because of his crappy English skills, but it's decent advice nonetheless.

Oh and I *love* his comment about "there is another alternative to get muscle mass , it is called training". I believe he seriously thinks that steroid users don't have to train.

And bjg, your comment about health risks: AAS were banned BEFORE there were known health risks, and were NOT banned because of health risks. Go read some history (which might improve your English).

 

[bjg]

You know what's funny? He actually gives decent advice in the training forums. No one takes it seriously because of his crappy English skills, but it's decent advice nonetheless.

Oh and I *love* his comment about "there is another alternative to get muscle mass , it is called training". I believe he seriously thinks that steroid users don't have to train.

And bjg, your comment about health risks: AAS were banned BEFORE there were known health risks, and were NOT banned because of health risks. Go read some history (which might improve your English).

AAS where long time used not for performance enhancement then they were banned to discourage people taking them for non-medical reasons, .....suppose you are right ..Today they are banned for health risks period. and the health risks involved are serious whether some like it or not, what encourages people is that there are some who do not get affected much like you find smokers who live till 100 years... medicine is not an exact science..what works for you might hurt another.
and my comment about training what i mean is proper training which includes technique, will, and most of all PATIENCE and years of training.
I can maybe just maybe understand somebody who after 10-20 years of training reached a plateau and wants to improve then he resorts to steroids..in this case he has a good basis to build upon. But who is doing that????????most if not all juicers i see start steroids shortly after they start training why??? to get quick results. Well let me tell you something THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS. what they will gain after steroids they will loose if not more after they stop why? no basis no years of training behind them. so when i say training it means training for years and years.
even top athletes like say sprinters they reach the top at 20 years old and at 30 when they stop their steroids and their competitions they go down quickly and look much older than they are..now at 50 i am as fast as strong as i ever was because i built it with time and years with no artificial aids

 

[Hench]

^Far too long, nobody cares.

 

[Arnold]

if you think i am blowing things out of proportion go visit the anabolic zone and see how many have problems and this is only the ones admitting it: one guy 18 years old cannot get it up, anothers arm is leaking crap he injected, another shoulder is leaking puss and brown stuff and so on and so on... , then once they are in the shit they run to the doctor who supposedly don't know anything. (And the most ridiculous is when they inject steroids in their biceps...who in a fuck injects anything in the biceps!!!! and what difference does it make except it can cause internal bleeding and infection and yes your biceps will grow from blood and infection accumulating...at least you want to do steroids do it properly) ...anyways lets not open a new subject...let me tell you my friend it is not the doctors or the fda that benefits from banning stuff it is those companies advertising their crap who are the ONLY ones who benefit. On the contrary doctors benefit if you take steroids because they will have to treat your ass when you are in shit. And also doctors study many years i don't know who is your doctor but mine knows much more than you and all the rest of this forum on steroids how they are synthesized absorbed etc...and about supplements etc...and he knows the real facts the ones he learned in REAL medical books not the info you gather from the internet. I am an engineer a professor in biomedical engineering and most of the things i read on the internet related to some subject of my expertise is totally crap.

If you read what I posted you would know that I said there is a safe way to use AAS, that is the point of boards like this. People (including teens) are going to use AAS regardless of legalities, we're here to help ensure they do it right. Why don't you go to the Anabolic Zone and read all of the stickies we have posted? I recently posted a very detailed video on properly injecting testosterone. I don't ever want to see a teen use AAS, but they will if that is what they want to do, so if we can help them do it correctly then we have helped. Anytime you inject anything in your body you are at risk of an infection, that is why we explain how do do it correctly to avoid this.

I don't know what your agenda is here but you're being a dickhead and if you are so against supplements and AAS use go to an "all natural board" and you can butt fuck all the other natties and trash talk the AAS users.