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DetroitDawg
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Exactly!! Thanks Tiny
Shrek makes a great point, and I would also like to say that I have been very happy with MLGs products.
MLG mentioned this earlier in this thread, but this is just one single test that followed the proper protocol. There are other factors that can impact the total test number. I actually work for a pharma company that produces a billion dollar a year drug. We see blood concentrations of this drug vary (sometimes significantly) between individuals on the exact same dose.
Also, It is crazy to jump to a conclusion based on one blood test. Replicability is what matters when you are trying to prove something in science. We need like 10-20 thousand test subjects to prove anything about a drug. I'm not saying that's even possible in this setting, but one test is not enough to make a conclusion. Replicating a result is all that matters, if you want to be correct.
MLG mentioned this earlier in this thread, but this is just one single test that followed the proper protocol. There are other factors that can impact the total test number. I actually work for a pharma company that produces a billion dollar a year drug. We see blood concentrations of this drug vary (sometimes significantly) between individuals on the exact same dose.
Also, It is crazy to jump to a conclusion based on one blood test. Replicability is what matters when you are trying to prove something in science. We need like 10-20 thousand test subjects to prove anything about a drug. I'm not saying that's even possible in this setting, but one test is not enough to make a conclusion. Replicating a result is all that matters, if you want to be correct.
In the lab section testing protocol the varience is explained based on a study of Testosterone.
The published range is 1,345 + or - 139 so the lowest participant measured about 1,206ng/dl 7 days after injecting 300mg of Testosterone Enanthate.
Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men
I have seen many many lab results over the years and this range is common. Could a guy score a bit lower? sure. But not in the 500's. The testosterone this member injected is under dosed. The sooner mlg admits this and makes adjustments to his powder the better. Until then, the excuses just makes him look bad.
GreenGiant
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Well I am a happy customer of mlg as well. Communication and t/a is one of the best around. However, to totally write this guys test off as simply "just 1 out of 1000000" is just crazy. There hasn't been many test results posted to see the legitimacy of the gear, and clearly this test shows that the stuff was underdosed. I am running mlg test cyp right now only 2 weeks in so can't really tell anything without bloods, and I feel now more than ever I should definitely get them done. The prices are good for sure, but I am willing to pay more to ensure that the product is as advertised. And to use that as an excuse is crazy as well. Sure we are all guilty of using UG labs, because we really have no choice. Not everyone can get HG gear. But really That shouldn't be an excuse when a blood test shows Thst your product isn't up to snuff. Instead you should be trying to make sure That this isn't a reoccurring theme.
tinyshrek
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What I really think this is about is a few veteran sponsors getting pissed that someone is stealing the customers. Because I have yet to see one complaint about mlg gear... Yet someone posts these results and all of a sudden they r supposed to change the way they do business? Hmmmm can you say :shady: and 
olitics: I would love to see some bloods on Geneza (naps) or DP (EK).... Haha
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olitics: I would love to see some bloods on Geneza (naps) or DP (EK).... Haha - SHREK
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I have seen bloods on DP by EK and they were within range. I have seen a test of Z come back a tad low, but it was twice as high as this.
My test is higher on 200mgs a week of TRT. Nobody is buying these excuses.
My test is higher on 200mgs a week of TRT. Nobody is buying these excuses.
tinyshrek
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Ok I would love to see them. And it's very easy to straight out LIE about using someone's gear and getting bloods done... You would have to be blind to say you don't see the writing on the wall... They have an amazing rep on every board they r at. Yet this guy along wit Heavy say there underdosed and need to change business yet 100's have said otherwise. Fuck me silly I call bullshit and politics
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This is what I was thinking but wasn't planning on saying anything...
I'm not calling the OP a liar, but just because someone says they ran this lab's gear at this dosage for this duration and here are my labs doesn't necessarily mean its true.
Now if there were numerous customers questioning the potency of a lab, then these results came out, I'd be inclined to believe them. But soooo many people are 100% satisfied with MLG's products.... so they sayings of one person just doesn't hold any ground with me.
EDIT: and we all know its common practice in this game for sources to commission people to post bs in their competitors forums to take away their business. Again, I'm not saying that is for sure what OP is doing, but dozens and dozens of satisfied customers (including me) vs one persons "protocol 1 lab results" You can decide what side to take.
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Once again, I have nothing against mlg as I am running his gear now. However, the whole excuse about this one guy bad mouthing mlg compared to the 100's of happy customers is absurd. There may be 100's of happy customers, but there sure isnt 100's of blood tests floating around that prove the potency of the products. There are plenty of instances where people bad mouth a sponsor to make them look bad, but there are just as many people that do the complete opposite by hyping them up to make them look great with no proof of even running their damn gear. Im not taking sides here just calling it how I see it.
not gonna sit here and say i underdosed test when i never would purposely do that. if anything, im gonna listen to the advice that heavy gave me and ensure that everything is up to par and overdosed if anything, and then there is no room for human error, or even underdosed raws. i stand behind my products and have countless members who also do and get great results.
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Mlg,
You should send out 50 dollars worth of test to a few members in exchange for them getting and posting bloods (following exact protocol) But let the board choose who.
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You should send out 50 dollars worth of test to a few members in exchange for them getting and posting bloods (following exact protocol) But let the board choose who.
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From what I have gathered in this ad nauseam thread is.....
1) this test was way underdosed, no doubt
2) Chinese powders are highly inconsistent (why are there no American suppliers?)
3) MLG has a lot of support from past customers, and I seriously doubt HE intended to underdose his product
I'm sure this is easier said then done.... but why not send new batch products to 'testers' who are willing to do the protocol in exchange for product. Then adjust the dosing according to the result??
1) this test was way underdosed, no doubt
2) Chinese powders are highly inconsistent (why are there no American suppliers?)
3) MLG has a lot of support from past customers, and I seriously doubt HE intended to underdose his product
I'm sure this is easier said then done.... but why not send new batch products to 'testers' who are willing to do the protocol in exchange for product. Then adjust the dosing according to the result??
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again id be more than willing to do this if its done properly, someone make it happen and ill do it.
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dirtbiker666
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End/thread ......bottom line !! When this man speaks there is no arguing ....Am I cock riding? Some may thing but he speaks the truth so I will.
What I really think this is about is a few veteran sponsors getting pissed that someone is stealing the customers. Because I have yet to see one complaint about mlg gear... Yet someone posts these results and all of a sudden they r supposed to change the way they do business? Hmmmm can you say :shady: and
- SHREK
Shrek I've seen many many good posts but this is just dumb to say. Listen I know shit about Heavy BUT he helped me out with a something with a sponsor that was stellar. He didnt even know me. I vouch he is forthright.
As far as MLG there is nothing being said about him personally. JUST GEAR UNDERDOSED. As far as followers go sure But its crazy how I can go over to Pmuscle and read tons of good stuff about a supplier (Take Manpower) and the AI sucked. WE all saw at least 3 labs with his shit.
All respect brother but it is what it is. I trust labs. Had one done a couple months ago myself .
Heavy, thanks for the article. I read through the source article this morning and my interpretation is this: the +/- 139 ng/dl is simply one standard deviation around the mean score of 1,345 ng/dl. One std. dev. doesn't mean all the study participants fell within that +/- 139 range, and in most studies, there are typically participants falling 2 and 3 standard deviations away from the mean, and "outliers" falling even further outside that. Even though the chances of being more than 3 standard deviations away from the mean are probably around 1% or less, there is still that chance.
I hate when people split hairs on me at work, especially when I have seen results over and over, and am confident I am interpreting them correctly. I have no doubt you have seen many more of these Testosterone tests than I have, and that this is an abnormal result, but I just hesitate to jump to a conclusion as strongly-worded as "MLGs testosterone is under-dosed". Could it be under-dosed? Yes. Could it be properly dosed and malfeasance is simply an outlier? Yes. Can we draw a conclusion from one blood test. I don't think so.
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And btw, people jumping to conclusions with eloquently worded posts, no matter which "side" you are on, should mean nothing in a section entitled "lab testing". If I had a huge post count, and was sick with my use of SAT-level vocabulary, I could probably convince your dog was plotting your overthrow. This section should be based on science, not emotion. I just caution against speaking in any sort of absolutes around here, you may be setting yourself up for a black eye in the future. I have done it to myself MANY times...
514 is close to 6 standard deviations away, the chances of that are more like 0.0000001%. There is just no way, that if those values are correct, it is not underdosed. Having said that, I think MLG has great service and is genuine. I have had blood work done while on 500mg/week of his Test E and the first time 4 weeks in my levels came back at 1706 and the 2nd time 6 weeks in came back at 2287. This was friday morning after a tuesday night injection. That is lower than it should be but clearly there is a decent amount of test in there.
Heavy if you see this, given my blood work mentioned above, any idea what you think that "500mg" was closer to? I was thinking 350-400.
mlg and I have resolved this via PM. He is making adjustments to ensure quality control.
I have already made the point that a guy could score slightly lower than the range in the post you quoted. 500ng/dl is just not realistic though.
Feel free to get labs and let the data speak for itself brother.
Just fyi, I have personally had over 12 tests following this protocol over the years with 200mg Testosterone and never once did the results come back this low with scripted meds. Based on the study, personal labs and lab reports from others I'm confident in my evaluation.
If you waited 7 days from inject to labs the results look good.
tinyshrek
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I am running 250mg test e wit tren e and eq. I will get labs in 4 weeks
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If you want accurate results you need to follow the protocol. Testosterone only. Many ugl's use Test instead of eq. In other words you will have zero scientific basis on what you are shooting. That is why there is a specific protocol. Anything else is pure garbage. Meat heads that come in here running various meds and cranked up doses are not helping the members. Its just a bunch of useless info.
Here is the protocol. all other posts will be deleted for not following the rules.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/l...osterone-cypionate-enanthate.html#post2764169
tinyshrek
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So we can only post results if we use your protocol?...
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Read the rules and the stickies.
The lab section is for members to evaluate products based on science. Your proposed protocol has ZERO basis in science, no sudies to back it, and huge margins for error. It will not provide anything valuable to the lab section. Imagine if 50 guys followed the protocol in the sticky. We would then have the most valuable feed back on the net.
