Most damage last night/today?

[CG]

Ok, what took the worst pounding last night and today?

The falcons

Your wallet

Your diet

Your toilet

For me it was pretty even minus the wallet. I don't bet on anything

 

[skinnyguy180]

toilet... Im not used to eating and drinking like that.


My stomach is still messed up.

 

[SheriV]

toilet- multiple members of the house hold have made all three of my bathroom borderline hazmat areas

 

[theCaptn']

^^^ has three toilets!


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[charley]

 

[SheriV]

^^^ has three toilets!


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and none of them are safe

 

[CG]

and none of them are safe

I hear that. Decided to work in my basement instead of my office so I was closer to a toilet

 

[SheriV]

the asshole plumber who set the water closet pipe in the downstairs toilet ..which is slab on grade...didn't account for tile
so theres spacers but the toilet routinely breaks loose from its wax ring even with the spacers...


well it just broke loose last week ...so I have grenaded bathrooms and I have to take the toilet off the floor this coming weekend and see wtf

I swear Im gonna set the spacer with hydrostatic cement this time

 

[solidassears]

Plaster of paris works great and if you need it a double thick wax ring. Been there done that one..

the asshole plumber who set the water closet pipe in the downstairs toilet ..which is slab on grade...didn't account for tile
so theres spacers but the toilet routinely breaks loose from its wax ring even with the spacers...


well it just broke loose last week ...so I have grenaded bathrooms and I have to take the toilet off the floor this coming weekend and see wtf

I swear Im gonna set the spacer with hydrostatic cement this time

 

[SheriV]

its got a spacer and a double...

its infuriating

 

[Dannie]

Had a beef and onion stew pie last night, toilet is taking plenty of damage. Also I am 2 lbs lighter than I was 2 days ago.

 

[solidassears]

Just set it up to install just the toilet bowel with the double ring and extra long bolts, then pour the plaster all around the ring and enough under the rest of the toilet bowel so it will flow out from under the bowel when you set it. Set it and just snug the bolts up, then use a wet rag to wipe up the plaster that will flow out from under. Then don't mess with it for at least an hour, let the plaster set up. Once the plaster is set, you can tighten the bolts a little more, but probably don't need to. Assemble the tank on the bowel and turn on the water and that should solve the problem.

The plumber should have done this the first time; it's not that big a deal to do it right.

its got a spacer and a double...

its infuriating

 

[Anabolik2k]

The Falcons.... Got owned... Played great though, just can never count the Pats out of it. Best comeback in SB history...
(I dindt eat, drink or gamble). I have the flu, I dont drink on Sundays, I never gamble, and could not eat all the good food my wife made because of illness.

 

[CG]

Just set it up to install just the toilet bowel with the double ring and extra long bolts, then pour the plaster all around the ring and enough under the rest of the toilet bowel so it will flow out from under the bowel when you set it. Set it and just snug the bolts up, then use a wet rag to wipe up the plaster that will flow out from under. Then don't mess with it for at least an hour, let the plaster set up. Once the plaster is set, you can tighten the bolts a little more, but probably don't need to. Assemble the tank on the bowel and turn on the water and that should solve the problem.

The plumber should have done this the first time; it's not that big a deal to do it right.

No no no. For the love of god, don't ever cement/plaster/grout a bowl in place on a slab unless you have an accessible cleanout. That's a sure fire way to snap your bowl in half if you ever have to remove it. Done it myself twice, seen it happen a dozen times over the past 7 years.

To each their own, but try to learn from my mistakes lol

 

[CG]

Solid makes one good point. You should be able to get a xl wax ring with those xl bolts. That MIGHT fill the gap between the bowl and lead bend. Sucks that it keeps breaking free, I've seen bowls hang on by a thread for years without issue

 

[solidassears]

That's why you use plaster of paris, it will release if you need to get the bowel off. You just tap a chisel between the tile and the bowel and it will let go..

Don't use concrete or cement, plaster of paris only...

http://www.plbg.com/forum/read.php?1,165192

No no no. For the love of god, don't ever cement/plaster/grout a bowl in place on a slab unless you have an accessible cleanout. That's a sure fire way to snap your bowl in half if you ever have to remove it. Done it myself twice, seen it happen a dozen times over the past 7 years.

To each their own, but try to learn from my mistakes lol

 

[SheriV]

I'll give it a shot!

 

[SheriV]

to be clear though..the pipe is cemented in...I was just going to cement in the flange spacers...not the bowl itself.


plaster of paris would give the same result


the flange cam like un-nailed into the concrete..the ring shanks like spun out and crumbled the concrete because of the stress of the bowl being too high. So it ripped out the slots for the bowl bolts.

I almost wonder if taking a flange with a 3" in ID instead of a 4" and setting it down in and using abs glue on all of it would work or even just using a flange cut off of the piece then set in would have the same effect.

Idk..thing is coming off saturday...I hate it.

 

[Tesla]

All this toilet talk is making me hot!!

Time to drop a deuce!!

 

[solidassears]

Oh, I misunderstood; you need a new flange, the flange should be glued to the drain pipe, unless you have no hub cast iron drain pipe; if you have cast it should have been leaded into place with okum and molten lead; but as I understand; the flange was bolted to the floor? You could use a 3" flange, most toilets use 3" so if that will solve the problem, I see no downside.

The paster of paris is not to seal anything, it's just to give the bowel a solid base so it won't move or rock when you sit on it.

to be clear though..the pipe is cemented in...I was just going to cement in the flange spacers...not the bowl itself.


plaster of paris would give the same result


the flange cam like un-nailed into the concrete..the ring shanks like spun out and crumbled the concrete because of the stress of the bowl being too high. So it ripped out the slots for the bowl bolts.

I almost wonder if taking a flange with a 3" in ID instead of a 4" and setting it down in and using abs glue on all of it would work or even just using a flange cut off of the piece then set in would have the same effect.

Idk..thing is coming off saturday...I hate it.

 

[SheriV]

it is glued ....the longer story is..

the entire pipe is in concrete- slab on grade.

it was fine pre house fire- had marble on the floor previously.
fire melted some of the pipe- all the floor was smashed up to put down new flooring
concrete around new flange that was set in semi crumbled around the flange and it was never set to the correct height for tile.
toilet wobbled- snapped flange

spacers were added on discovery- double wax ring
continues to pull bolts through flange with rocking


I'll figure it out but will definitely keep plaster of paris in mind as a leveler
Ive considered trying to cut the tile but I cant see a way to have it come out cleanly and think tile to a toilet instead of under the toilet is ghetto as fuck and screws me if I ever replace the entire toilet.

 

[REDDOG309]

to be clear though..the pipe is cemented in...I was just going to cement in the flange spacers...not the bowl itself.


plaster of paris would give the same result


the flange cam like un-nailed into the concrete..the ring shanks like spun out and crumbled the concrete because of the stress of the bowl being too high. So it ripped out the slots for the bowl bolts.

I almost wonder if taking a flange with a 3" in ID instead of a 4" and setting it down in and using abs glue on all of it would work or even just using a flange cut off of the piece then set in would have the same effect.

Idk..thing is coming off saturday...I hate it.

Will Mr. V be out getting his nails done while you are pulling the toilet off the floor?...

 

[SheriV]

he'll probably be at the gym


I used to own a cpl multi family homes and a small construction company pre housing bubble.
aside from wells and foundations I've worked on every aspect of residential construction

I cant hang a door to save my life- apparently neither could the contractors that rebuilt my house but thats another story

 

[REDDOG309]

They do sell a flange kit that bolts up to a meaty part of the excisting flange and then spins to give you proper bolt down aligment....

 

[SheriV]

I have that- but it still needs to affix to the existing flange- which is ripped...and set in concrete

 

[REDDOG309]

Right but is there some meat in the front or back of the excisting flange? something like this where you bolt in other places...
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Sorry bout the bad link...

 

[SheriV]

I think the concrete will crumble more unless I drill....the set the bolts with something in the holes
but maybe not- its been a year since I looked at it and Mr. V gave it a go last time.

given that he didn't use part of the kit I told him to the problem might not be as bad as last time

I thought out something like that and using a roto-zip to cut out the existing flange from the inside and chisel it out if I have to....set a new flange in with glue on the OD and set something underneath it to get the right height- plaster of paris or a tile leveler does seem like it would work in that instance

 

[REDDOG309]

I know it sucks, I have been through the same deal in my powder room downstairs. flange on cement with a bad height. It's a constant battle where every 2 years it has to be dealt with. makes for an unfulfilling Saturday afternoon....

 

[SheriV]

its a pain in the butt!

 

[solidassears]

What a mess!

How about something like this:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Sioux-Ch...9N7dFCqLBx5qzKH42JGtgaAiXt8P8HAQ&gclsrc=aw.ds

Set that then use the plaster of paris to hold the whole mess in place?

it is glued ....the longer story is..

the entire pipe is in concrete- slab on grade.

it was fine pre house fire- had marble on the floor previously.
fire melted some of the pipe- all the floor was smashed up to put down new flooring
concrete around new flange that was set in semi crumbled around the flange and it was never set to the correct height for tile.
toilet wobbled- snapped flange

spacers were added on discovery- double wax ring
continues to pull bolts through flange with rocking


I'll figure it out but will definitely keep plaster of paris in mind as a leveler
Ive considered trying to cut the tile but I cant see a way to have it come out cleanly and think tile to a toilet instead of under the toilet is ghetto as fuck and screws me if I ever replace the entire toilet.