I'm 25, did a cycle 8 wks prop/tbol. I just got my T level results one month post pct. Normal range is 241-8??, I came back at 341. Immediately after pct I was sitting at 636 but I'm assuming that was because of the clomid in my system. I'm still awaiting my prolactin/estrogen results. Is 341 a month after clomid pct a good number and I'm on my way to recovering or is it not good? Thing is my libido still isn't that great and my balls feel small at some times.
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1 month post pct BW.. need some help
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Do you have any idea what your pre cycle test levels were?
Did you even get a blood test for your levels before hand? if nto then how would you know what YOUR test level should be/ is ???
soem it may be 200 others 500. how would you know now?
anyway after pct give 4 weeks or so and you should be GTG.
maybe 341 IS you ... maybe its 400... maybe its not even that but 250..
You understand what I mean right?
Good luck!
Last BW I had was a couple years back and my natural numbers were 650. Does this mean I'm still recovering or should I run some torem or something?
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Don't freak out Fray. Howed the run go ? Was it worth it ? You will never know now what your true baseline natty was. NBD cause it will just go down. From here time on plus PCT = time off. Your just a little shut down - They grow back ( sometimes) ?
I've always given time on+pct = time off. I've just never felt this shutdown after pct.
It's all speculation without LH/FSH. Without that you won't know if the problem lies within your hypothalamus or perhaps in your testes. You could still be in the process of recovering, time on = time off is broscience with no facts or studies to back it up. Some people take over a year to recover, some people don't recover at all. Perhaps you had some bunk clomid meaning you actually didn't restart and you're lingering ever since. In any case, in my opinion, bloodwork after 1 month is too short.
I see what you mean. It's just when I feel my balls and they're not as big as before, it makes me feel depressed. Plus, I'm 25 with low libido and single- not fun! I think I'll have some BW in another week or two and get everything tested. I had an ultrasound on my testicles and it came back just fine. Isn't there a place online where you can get BW for like 50 bucks? My insurance doesn't cover things on LH and FSH for some reason.
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Thank you, sir!
re-test in 3-5weeks more. still last blood test was a couple years ago and if you have been feelign stressed that could lower it also. i would retest in a few weeks before doing another pct, going to doc or anything.
GOOD LUCK!
GOOD LUCK!
Man, that's a great point. I actually just broke up with my gf a couple weeks ago and I've been stressed as hell about that. Do you think stress can really lower it that much? I'm gonna get tested next week to check LH and FSH to see how my balls are functioning ok. My doc didn't think this was necessary so I'm just getting it through privatemd. Do you think if they're alright and everything then maybe I'll just need to run a little more clomid as another pct and that'd fix it?
Get labs on T, E2, LH and FSH brother. Post it up when you can and we will trouble shoot the issue if you still have one.
Man I'm glad to have you chime in heavy! I'll be getting that exact labwork done next week and should have it back by Friday so I'll post up immediately. Thanks man!
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25 and single is the best you could hope for with your drive being low... if you were in a relationship, most 25yo chicks are of the thinking 'relationships are for sex'... just as 25yo men... they don't have the sense to realize there is more to it than just sex.. so you would end up gf-less, then you would really be depressed, cause it hd to do with your little balls, and lack of sex drive..... so... don't get a gf til your sex drive is back to normal... I would aquire clomid from somewhere other than research supply sites...(theres a damn good sponsor on here with some 'balls to the wall' clomid!!! and don't go running juice while you have a gf, cause if your little balls depress you, you aren't cut out for a chick telling you they are small.. that's for sure! or expecially if they dump you cause you don't feel like fucking em!
I actually just got out of a relationship with a girl. It was long distance and the crap just got too hard and old. I will say the hammering her was never a problem since I had my liquid v and cia on hand. Chick got 3 UTI's in the matter of the last couple months we were together. She said "you must be doing me right because I've never had that happen" lol. I'm not sure if that had anything to do with it but it sure didn't hurt for the sexual ego! I'm going to hold of on taking clomid or anything else until I get my BW later this week. I've already put 5 wks of clomid in my system post cycle anyways. And actually, over the last couple days, my balls seem to be getting closer to normal size. Hell, maybe my balls were telling me I needed to get rid of this last girl haha
Did you use an AI during your cycle? Did you use HCG? We need to know these things. You realize Estrogen is supressive just like test? That is why it's best to use an AI and control Estrogen...from the start of the cycle. HCG keeps your balls online....Recovery is all about getting the balls to work again. Naturally it could take a year to recover from an Androgen cycle depending on dosage, length, and compounds. Your Pituitary will come online easy. It sounds like you didn't use HCG on your cycle and maybe got your Estrogen to high.
Usually blood work is taken 6 weeks post PCT to see how things are doing. IF bloods show you are still shutdown I would do another PCT consisting of Clomid/HCG or Nolva/HCG. Good luck
Usually blood work is taken 6 weeks post PCT to see how things are doing. IF bloods show you are still shutdown I would do another PCT consisting of Clomid/HCG or Nolva/HCG. Good luck
I did an 8 wk test prop 150mg/tbol 40mg cycle. I started using my hcg at the beginning and like a jackass I left it out after the second week and it went bad. I got some new hcg and ran it the last week but probably only had about 2500iu those 7 days. I used an Aromasin while one cycle. Can you make anything from those details? Thanks man. I'm having bloods done tomorrow and will report back.
Post your new number when you get them and Ill take a look at them. Did you get back your E2 number from your first blood test? Did you get any blood during the cycle? This will tell if your Aromasin was good or not.
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Don't let stuff like that stress you out bro... see, you are gtg.. don't have to worry about anything for a bit... get yourself up and going again.. Heavyiron just answered your question, same advice I would have given you... He knows his stuff, if he ever posts something, pay close attention.. it may be something you can use in the future! also... There's a really good sponsor on here that carries proviron(you might guess who I'm referring to by the bottom of my post.... get you some, cap it up or make a solution, you will never have to worry about sex drive again(in case this happens next time you pct, or between now and when you get back up and runnning full bore....) But do follow Heavy's advice, and get your ' boys' back, you are too young to be getting shut down, you may want kids one day... and, I'm sure you would like to retain the majority of your gains! you can take proviron while on pct if you want to feel a little better... its something I try to run year round, finances permitting.... It really does make you feel great, even while doing pct, and it doesn't interfere... there have actually been studies done showing it can help to varying degrees(I wouldn't count on it solely by any means, especially not at your young age, but it is a good addition to pct to help maintain gains as you are kicking your endogenous test back in, and also to not feel like crap while going through pct... it may just save the next relationship, should you be going through pct while in one....)
Thanks for the words man. It really does help. The girl I broke up with was really no good for me anyways, and my family absolutely hated her. So, you're right, it's much better I don't have that to worry about anymore and now it's another dude's problem (she's actually already in a relationship with another guy- effin whore). I honestly think I would've already dumped her if it wasn't for me feeling so bad in PCT and actually thought I treated her good through it all. In the end, she pretty much told me I was too good to her and it was annoying lol. I've always been curious about Proviron, but wouldn't it be suppressive to my natural levels recovering? And you're also correct I want to get myself back to normal bc I definitely want a family someday so that makes it even more important I get things back.
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Yeah man, my E2 levels from the last test were 23 (I think 40 is considered high). Also, my doc said my prolactin levels were also perfect. He said it's still just a matter of time to recover normal levels.
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It makes females see you as soft. They want somebody hard. Ever wonder why they like the "bad boys" and overlook the nice guys? They SAY they want a nice guy, but a take charge man is what gets their juices flowing.
It is natural. If you cannot even handle a little woman, how are you going to protect them and provide for them? It is almost like a test of sorts, even though none of them would admit it or possibly may not even understand it. They do not know why this is how they operate. It just is.
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Proviron (brand name for mesterolone) is a DHT steroid like masteron. Would you take masteron in PCT?
