1st cycle questions

[Gettin'old]

Hi all. I've recently just begun my first cycle. I decided to go with the stack I had long researched and planned. I'm using Noraderm as the base and "supplementing" with a little 4ad. (8 squirts 2x day noraderm & 4 squirts 2x/day 4aderm).

I have a prescription for 200mg testosterone to be given every 2 weeks. It will arrive tomorrow.

My questions are:

1. When taking the test, should I skip the 4aderm for the first week; and

2. Will there be an extra heavy risk of gyno while taking the test with the Noraderm? Is this mixture totally unadvisable?

No sides, or results so far (I started on the 18th).

Thanks much.

 

[ZECH]

If I remember right, the Nor and 4-ad compete for the same receptors. If that's the case no use in doing both, just a waste of money. Although the Nor will not give you water retention like 4/ad. I would pick one and stick with it along with the test injects and save the other for later. I don't think 1-test, 4/ad or Nor will give you gyno!

 

[Gettin'old]

Hey there DG. I did substantial research on the issue of the receptors and, from what I can determine, the "competition" will not be a factor at the dosage levels I'm using.

I decided to put a little 4aderm into the program since I've read so much about lethargy and libido issues with the noraderm alone, and how the 4ad really helps on this score.

This is the morning of day 4 and I haven't experienced any sides yet. I'm just trying to find some informed opinion about what to do after adding the test, i.e. cancel the 4ad for a week?

 

[Gettin'old]

DG, how long do you let the stuff dry before putting a shirt on. It seems to stay damp for quite a while. I put most on my lats and upper shoulders and arms since I'm pretty hairy on the legs and chest.

 

[Arnold]

I wait about 10 minutes.

You can always shave your legs.

 

[Gettin'old]

How long until I "feel" something? Will it be weeks?

 

[Arnold]

around a week or so.

 

[ZECH]

GO, if anything you will want to keep the 4/ad in. With the addition of test, the lethargy will only probably get worse. And it usually takes me several weeks before I notice much! But then it kicks in......
You also want to rub the PH briskly (create a little heat) so you are forcing the PH into the SC. It will also help it dry some too!

 

[Gettin'old]

Ok. But, I thought the 4ad converts to test itself.

 

[ZECH]

All PH's, oral or TD's will give you an external supply of test. That is why your body stops producing it on it's own. Some have to be converted into test and some do not..............

 

[Arnold]

Originally posted by dg806
And it usually takes me several weeks before I notice much! But then it kicks in......

interesting, not me.

 

[Tkarrde]

You should be fine continuing the 4AD with the test.

Regarding gyno, this is more of a risk with 4AD than it is Nordiol. Though the risk is low, it would be wise to have an anti-estrogen (Nolvadex, Formasin/Formestane, Aromazap) on hand in case problems develop.

 

[Gettin'old]

I have aromazap, I'm just not very sure of its efficacy. I haven't seen any testimonials on it yet. I'm supposed to receive the test tomorrow.

Hopefully, I'll be starting to see some gains soon. I'll definitely post them if I get them. Man, it's tough to eat so much.