about to run my cycle .. advice desperately needed..

[tomy2]

guys this is my second ..
The Cycle is:-
weeks 1-8 Test E 400mg PW
weeks 1-8 primobolan depot 200mg PW
Dbol 20mg pday.
Start clomid 3 weeks after last shot of primoblain and keep nolvsa on hand in case of gyno.

guys i wanna know is there any side-affect if i did not use pct last cycle ?
my last cycle was deca with test for 6 weeks but it was not good as it supposed to be i did not get out of it a lot .
i've been advised during the cycle to be in diet and at the end of it i used insulin but it did not work .

i been advised from an idiot guy .

questions:

-which protein would u recommend to take ..

the purpose of this cycle is (bulk) with fatless .

am 24 5.6' about 70 kg and 15 bf .

- should i take any vitamins during the cycle if (yes) what kinds of ?

- is that ok if i want to add hgh for 3 weeks if (yes ) how much pw ?

and what is the best time to run hgh ..?

thanks in advance gents ...

 

[moarwhey123]

you are asking way too many questions it seems you have no clue what you're doing.
iw ouldnt even advise you to run this cycle.

 

[hmandn1]

You definitely came to the right place for the right info as these guys gave me great advice for my first cycle, which I planned way in advance.

But I would advise you as a newbie(like myself) to seriously do your homework before asking these questions. You can find out the basics by just reading the stickies.

Just thought I would save you an ass chewing, no offense.

 

[underscore]

No PCT, I would imagine you would lost most of your gains with your body in a catabolic enviroment for an extended period of time. I would also bet you felt depressed and I'm surprised you didnt have some type of gyno issue with the test to estro ratio during the post cycle period with no Serm. If its been a while since then and you feel ok, I don't think there would be much permanent damage. But I wouldnt recommend doing it again, you want healthy natural test levels off cycle don't you? It sounds like you need more research. There is too much information you need to absorb and we will not type it all out for you. Keep reading.

 

[cutright]

Read heavyirons sticky on first cycle...about 4 times

 

[The Prototype]

Protein? You aren't very informed on lifting are you? Otherwise you wouldn't be asking what type of protein to take. Same with the multi-vitamin.

Don't do hgh. Only do dbol for first four weeks. Why did you choose primobolan? Personally, I think you should get on the computer for a minimum of one hour per day for the next two weeks and read and read and research. You don't seem to know the basics and you're really gonna do some harm to yourself. I remember some of your other posts and they were rookie questions too. Take some good advice and read the stickies and check out other forums as well and research as much as possible.

 

[Supermans Daddy]

You definitely came to the right place for the right info as these guys gave me great advice for my first cycle, which I planned way in advance.

But I would advise you as a newbie(like myself) to seriously do your homework before asking these questions. You can find out the basics by just reading the stickies.

Just thought I would save you an ass chewing, no offense.

Don't be afraid to ask questions, thats what these places are for. The only ones that would chew you out for seek'n wisdom would be a fool look'n to impress other fools.Bein a new person is not a slight, but rather a begin'n. Good luck.

Peace and Love

 

[tomy2]

No PCT,. I would also bet you felt depressed and
If its been a while since then and you feel ok, I don't think there would be much permanent damage..

yes i felt depressed man i hate that feeling ..

it's been 5 month bro and i feel ok the thing dude i have read a lot info and

I've had many mixed views and opinions .

am really learning from u guys thanks .

Protein? You aren't very informed on lifting are you? Otherwise you wouldn't be asking what type of protein to take. Same with the multi-vitamin.

bro i got info about protein and am using whey protein right now but i thought that u may recommend better than whey. in some cases


Don't do hgh. Only do dbol for first four weeks. Why did you choose primobolan? ( I know that primo is not usually used for bulking but a lot of people told me to use it to get rid of some water , deca will make me hold more water . what do u think ? )

Personally, I think you should get on the computer for a minimum of one hour per day for the next two weeks and read and read and research. You don't seem to know the basics and you're really gonna do some harm to yourself. I remember some of your other posts and they were rookie questions too. Take some good advice and read the stickies and check out other forums as well and research as much as possible.

dude am not expert to be honest am learning ..

can u tell me why not primo ..( i can exclude it ) if u think test with dbol enough

appreciate it dude ..

 

[ScorpionKing]

I see that some members on here are pro's already. Interesting that one guy making a comment on here was like a couple months scared to poke himself with a needle.
Don't worry about these guys who come out flaming at you. No question is a dumb question.
Peace Bro.

 

[tomy2]

Don't be afraid to ask questions, thats what these places are for. The only ones that would chew you out for seek'n wisdom would be a fool look'n to impress other fools.Bein a new person is not a slight, but rather a begin'n. Good luck.

Peace and Love

love ya man ..

your words are wisdom .. i keep asking even though i read a lot

coz there might be something i never come across , experienced people can improve my knowledge .

keep it up ..

 

[The Prototype]

I'm def no expert but I've been around these boards for nearly ten years and have researched like it's a full time job. Primo is a mild steroid that is generally used for cutting. Not known for bulking cycles. If you want to keep water retention down you can do so by altering your ai intake. Since this is your second cycle, you're best sticking to one or two compounds. That way you can pin point which compound is giving you issues in the event that were to happen. But if your running multiple compounds, how will you know which one is causing probs? Just stick with dbol and test. You will be happy with it. Save the primo for another cycle. Maybe a future cutting cycle. Good luck bro. Sorry if I was a little rude or harsh earlier.

 

[tomy2]

I see that some members on here are pro's already. Interesting that one guy making a comment on here was like a couple months scared to poke himself with a needle.
Don't worry about these guys who come out flaming at you. No question is a dumb question.
Peace Bro.

i like high class people like u man .

i really don't worry about them

peace man ..

 

[tomy2]

i'm def no expert but i've been around these boards for nearly ten years and have researched like it's a full time job. Primo is a mild steroid that is generally used for cutting. Not known for bulking cycles. If you want to keep water retention down you can do so by altering your ai intake(how?i need a bit more explanation plz). Since this is your second cycle, you're best sticking to one or two compounds. That way you can pin point which compound is giving you issues in the event that were to happen. But if your running multiple compounds, how will you know which one is causing probs? Just stick with dbol and test. You will be happy with it. Save the primo for another cycle. Maybe a future cutting cycle. Good luck bro. Sorry if i was a little rude or harsh earlier ( don't worry man it's fine as long as i have ur input hahaha :d.

cheers man ..

 

[The Prototype]

Are you using an AI such as arimidex or aromasin? I use arimidex and typically the vets will suggest taking 0.5 mg every other day (eod) and increase it as needed. You basically want to take as little as possible to get the desired effect (to lessen estrogen sides or water retention). Everyone is different. You have to find the right amount for you which may take a little experimenting.

 

[tomy2]

i will use arimidex . 0.5mg pday .

the qustione is . do i have to take arimidex everyday or during the workouts ?

 

[The Prototype]

I take mine after breakfast but I don't think it matters when you take it. Just need to get the dose right for you.

 

[Retlaw]

you are asking way too many questions it seems you have no clue what you're doing.
iw ouldnt even advise you to run this cycle.

I agree, do your homework !!

 

[Supermans Daddy]

I see that some members on here are pro's already. Interesting that one guy making a comment on here was like a couple months scared to poke himself with a needle.

I was think'n the exact same thing ! lolol I also remember PM'n that person to offer support when he was bein mistreated. I seem to remember that they found no enjoyment in bein treated rudely.So know'n how that feel's ,but do it to someone just look'n for help really is kinda evil. But I ain't gotta live with that so move'n right along

as far as Adex ,anyone who understands half lifes would know that you need to take " timed doses' to keep anything at a certain strength in your system. Some use an AI ED some can do fine with EOD. Most will advise ED for the first week or the week before you start a cycle to allow a build up in your system.. It's some super smart cats here HOWEVER..........Watch out for Parrots, Brakkk, coo, coo. !! lol

Parrot= one that can quote everythin he hears, but don't have a clue of what any of it means.

Peace and Love

 

[The Prototype]

I was think'n the exact same thing ! lolol I also remember PM'n that person to offer support when he was bein mistreated. I seem to remember that they found no enjoyment in bein treated rudely.So know'n how that feel's ,but do it to someone just look'n for help really is kinda evil. But I ain't gotta live with that so move'n right along

as far as Adex ,anyone who understands half lifes would know that you need to take " timed doses' to keep anything at a certain strength in your system. Some use an AI ED some can do fine with EOD. Most will advise ED for the first week or the week before you start a cycle to allow a build up in your system.. It's some super smart cats here HOWEVER..........Watch out for Parrots, Brakkk, coo, coo. !! lol

Parrot= one that can quote everythin he hears, but don't have a clue of what any of it means.

Peace and Love

If you are referring to me then just come out and say it.

 

[Supermans Daddy]

If you are referring to me then just come out and say it.

OK, not a problem YOU Homey. When you were post'n questions that made peeps womder if you LE Remember ? I even hit you up on another board to give you support. Show others love like some of us showed you. That better ? It don't make you get cool points to dis another man. Come on now.Ima believe you're a bigger ,smarter and better man than that.Now learn from this or continue ,your choice, but just remember how you felt.
Peace and Love

 

[The Prototype]

OK, not a problem YOU Homey. When you were post'n questions that made peeps womder if you LE Remember ? I even hit you up on another board to give you support. Show others love like some of us showed you. That better ? It don't make you get cool points to dis another man. Come on now.Ima believe you're a bigger ,smarter and better man than that.Now learn from this or continue ,your choice, but just remember how you felt.
Peace and Love

SD, with all due respect, bc I do respect you and most people on this board do as well and I appreciated your pm, but I took it not as support but as "don't bring that over here". I clearly wasn't alone in what was said bc I got a rep from a vet for that remark. You guys preach on here how you need a solid base before touching gear but a guy is asking what vitamins to take and protein and you don't think people will say something? If you had a good base, you would have all these in order. And to be honest, not a lot of people showed me love. You, unclem, pyes and a few other vets. So nonetheless, I did apologize to the OP. I don't know how much you're around SD but there's questions like this everyday. What should my first cycle be? I'm 19 and I want to use. I want to stack four different compounds my first try. I need gear to make me lose weight. I'm around the board a lot and it gets old. Just read the stickies and you'll get your answers.

 

[The Prototype]

I see that some members on here are pro's already. Interesting that one guy making a comment on here was like a couple months scared to poke himself with a needle.
Don't worry about these guys who come out flaming at you. No question is a dumb question.
Peace Bro.

And this is coming from someone who has been lifting one year and is doing 1,300 mg per week of test. Yeah it is interesting.

 

[ScorpionKing]

Yes coming from a guy who has been lifting a year and the 1300 mg a week test cyp is about right.
1 year of dedicated solid lifting and 1 year with 3 cycles.
You see Ripped Golfer it's not about flaming the new guy and being a total jerk. No matter how much experience you have you must learn how to treat others with respect.
nobody likes a ass and no body really likes a smart ass.
Try next time to be more patient with the person your trying to help. No matter if you have 20 years or 2 months. Share what you have learned and do it in a manner that shows you have some class.

 

[Saney]

questions:

-which protein would u recommend to take ..

 

[The Prototype]

Yes coming from a guy who has been lifting a year and the 1300 mg a week test cyp is about right.
1 year of dedicated solid lifting and 1 year with 3 cycles.
You see Ripped Golfer it's not about flaming the new guy and being a total jerk. No matter how much experience you have you must learn how to treat others with respect.
nobody likes a ass and no body really likes a smart ass.
Try next time to be more patient with the person your trying to help. No matter if you have 20 years or 2 months. Share what you have learned and do it in a manner that shows you have some class.

I agree. I was wrong and I did apologize. Lessoned learned.

 

[Supermans Daddy]

SD, with all due respect, bc I do respect you and most people on this board do as well and I appreciated your pm, but I took it not as support but as "don't bring that over here". I clearly wasn't alone in what was said bc I got a rep from a vet for that remark. You guys preach on here how you need a solid base before touching gear but a guy is asking what vitamins to take and protein and you don't think people will say something? If you had a good base, you would have all these in order. And to be honest, not a lot of people showed me love. You, unclem, pyes and a few other vets. So nonetheless, I did apologize to the OP. I don't know how much you're around SD but there's questions like this everyday. What should my first cycle be? I'm 19 and I want to use. I want to stack four different compounds my first try. I need gear to make me lose weight. I'm around the board a lot and it gets old. Just read the stickies and you'll get your answers.

Homey,I can see where you're come'n from and it's beautiful. Just try and not be like so many others who look to abuse not educate.Don't be like those jerks that did'nt show you love, you don't want that.Take what Pyes,M and Me gave you and do it like that.(Btw all the guys you mentioned that showed you love all mod on other boards, so go figure lol) And I guess it was a kinda "don't don't bring that over here" lol just a really nice "don't bring that over here" . Because it leads to problems that don't even have to be.You're a good guy don't be swayed by others who have either lost or never had the ability to extend kindness and respect.As far as see'n the same questions posted over and over........Homey I been here since 2003, you got any idea how many time I've seen the same questions here ??? Solution is if you can't say somethin nice or helpful, just pass it by.You can also try the approach I use, I don't advise on protocol unless I'm asked personally. That stops everythin dead in it's tracks.Why do you think I've got less than 1500 post in all these years ? lolol

Peace and Love

 

[cavtrooper96]

It's some super smart cats here HOWEVER..........Watch out for Parrots, Brakkk, coo, coo. !! lol

Parrot= one that can quote everythin he hears, but don't have a clue of what any of it means.

Peace and Love

I like that! LOL!!!

 

[The Prototype]

Homey,I can see where you're come'n from and it's beautiful. Just try and not be like so many others who look to abuse not educate.Don't be like those jerks that did'nt show you love, you don't want that.Take what Pyes,M and Me gave you and do it like that.(Btw all the guys you mentioned that showed you love all mod on other boards, so go figure lol) And I guess it was a kinda "don't don't bring that over here" lol just a really nice "don't bring that over here" . Because it leads to problems that don't even have to be.You're a good guy don't be swayed by others who have either lost or never had the ability to extend kindness and respect.As far as see'n the same questions posted over and over........Homey I been here since 2003, you got any idea how many time I've seen the same questions here ??? Solution is if you can't say somethin nice or helpful, just pass it by.You can also try the approach I use, I don't advise on protocol unless I'm asked personally. That stops everythin dead in it's tracks.Why do you think I've got less than 1500 post in all these years ? lolol

Peace and Love

You crack me up man. You always have a way of smoothing things out. Must be the influence of the islands. I've never met anyone from the islands with bad intentions. Most are genuine, good people.

 

[tomy2]

guys is there any different between the arimidex and tamoxifen ..

I am wondering if i can use tamoxifen instead of arimidex during the cycle . dose it do the same job as arimidex ?

thanks in advance ..

 

[Life]

Homey,I can see where you're come'n from and it's beautiful. Just try and not be like so many others who look to abuse not educate.Don't be like those jerks that did'nt show you love, you don't want that.Take what Pyes,M and Me gave you and do it like that.(Btw all the guys you mentioned that showed you love all mod on other boards, so go figure lol) And I guess it was a kinda "don't don't bring that over here" lol just a really nice "don't bring that over here" . Because it leads to problems that don't even have to be.You're a good guy don't be swayed by others who have either lost or never had the ability to extend kindness and respect.As far as see'n the same questions posted over and over........Homey I been here since 2003, you got any idea how many time I've seen the same questions here ??? Solution is if you can't say somethin nice or helpful, just pass it by.You can also try the approach I use, I don't advise on protocol unless I'm asked personally. That stops everythin dead in it's tracks.Why do you think I've got less than 1500 post in all these years ? lolol

Peace and Love

The only problem with this is some people that come on the board ask questions to jump to conclusions, not to learn. Being respectful and conscious of your fellow man is a two way street. I grew up by learning for myself, by digging the information out myself. I would ask my granddad (g-parents raised me) a question and he would hand me a book. You learn by building a solid foundation and then adding expertise from there. In the same way you wouldn't go to a mechanic and ask how to rebuild an engine without knowing what an alternator is, you shouldn't come to a board asking about AAS usage when you don't even have any semblance of a diet in order. It is disrespectful to yourself and to those who answer your questions.

I don't see anything wrong with what ripped said. It may be parroted, but it is parroted because it is true. When someone pulls a muscle and everyone tells them to see a doctor no one calls "parrot." Most people do not have the respect they need for AAS before they start running AAS. I understand that everyone is curious because I know I am, I am learning and I don't really know my ass from a hole in the ground. I spend hours reading old threads, looking through AAS books, training books, medical journals and following "the vets" around trying to pick up information.

To be completely honest people don't strike enough fear into people when they start steroids. I know I'll get flack for saying that from a lot of guys but you need to have a heavy dose of respect when you're injecting something into your body. When you're messing with hormonal balance in your body, you need to consider things. I think a lot of the vets forget what it was like when they started, I know I was excited but as the same time scared shit less when I first started. Now I don't even think about it, I have my routine. But whenever I think of trying something new I spend hours looking into it, balancing the pros and cons.

But maybe I'm just full of shit, that is a distinct possibility.