Reguardless you will have some amount of water retention with test so shredded will not happen unless you use AI or Nolva, but you can still use to lose weight, when "on" and do a lean mass program, personally I would wait untill the end of a bulk cycle and then do a cutting cycle, say a Tren and Anavar cycle for about 8 weeks and use the Clen, to rip up..