Damn, you guys gotta try this

[irontime]

Last year I went to school with this skinny guy who couldn't gain weight, until he tried this stuff called 'Methoxy Factor' from EAS. This stuff is supposed to make your muscle absorb more protein. He gained about ten pounds in a month.

I've decided to give it a go and heard it was great with protein powder (duh) and tribulus (I personally like Testostrogain)
So I've been on Methoxy factor, Nitrotech, and testostrogain for about a week and a half and holy hell I've gained about 5 pounds, I'm lifting more, and my girlfriend and people at work have noticed that my muscles are looking much bigger.

I normally don't brag about supplements, but this shit is awesome Just thought I'd let you guys know if you are looking to try something different.

 

[Vieope]

Originally posted by irontime
This stuff is supposed to make your muscle absorb more protein.

or water ? or fat ?
How is it possible to make the muscle to absorb more protein ?
Anyway, do you have a link for the product ? I am too lazy to search for anything today.

 

[Var]

http://www.get2buynow.com/diet/cortisol-4.html

I'm skeptical of this one.

 

[Vieope]

"scientific proven .." but where is this study ?
This product doesn´t do anything.
http://www.ast-ss.com/research/cribb/articles/methoxyisoflavone_the_truth_4-30-02.asp

 

[brodus]

That's awesome! Glad you're making fast gains!

How much Methoxy in milligrams are you taking in a day?

Have you used creatine before?

Unless you are taking in over a gram of methoxy a day, I would attribute the gains to the Nitrotech, which has around 5gms of Creatine a serving, according to independent lab assay. That alone can pack on 5lbs.

I'm not discounting the effects of Methoxy--I do plan on giving Methoxy a shot in the future, but only at the high doses that were studied scientifically. I buying a bunch of raw powder for economy.

 

[brodus]

"scientifcally proven"

That's marketing lingo, not what a study said. Conclusions in research are virtually always "might," "seems to," and "could."

Methoxy MIGHT exert an anabolic inflluence on humans IF TAKEN AT 1.5 to 2 grams per day. The only way to do this economically is to purchase bulk powder.

 

[Var]

Originally posted by Vieope
"scientific proven .." but where is this study ?
This product doesn´t do anything.
http://www.ast-ss.com/research/cribb/articles/methoxyisoflavone_the_truth_4-30-02.asp

I hate AST with a passion, but tend to agree with them here. Doesnt seem like there's a lot backing this stuff up. It'll be interesting to hear feedback anyway.

 

[Vieope]

Originally posted by brodus
Methoxy MIGHT exert an anabolic inflluence on humans IF TAKEN AT 1.5 to 2 grams per day. The only way to do this economically is to purchase bulk powder.

Did you read the link ?

 

[Vieope]

Originally posted by Var
I hate AST with a passion, but tend to agree with them here. Doesnt seem like there's a lot backing this stuff up. It'll be interesting to hear feedback anyway.

Yeah, I am trying to find a study about these isoflavones.

 

[brodus]

Yes, I've read that link, as well as a ton of other stuff, including a translated European study.

There is a lot of anecdotal evidnence from trainers, not users, on this board that 1.5 to 2 grams per day definitely worked for some clients.

Here are a few threads:

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6722

From that:
"Anyway, as far as these two supplements, you might want to give high-dose methoxy a try. I haven't seen good ecdy feedback from pretty much anyone. But multiple people have said that methoxy is noticeable at 1-2 g+."

"I like the stuff. Ecdysterone and Methoxy combined worked very well for me. I was dieting down and I managed to keep much more muscle than usual."

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2649&highlight=methoxy

From GoPro:
"This, like many other things is an individual matter. One of my employees gained 5 solid pounds in one month from methoxy pro.I personally did the bodyfat tests."

Do I think the claims made by the supp. companies are overstated? ABSOLUTELY.

But I also think Methoxy may be worth somethign to some people, provided its purchased in bulk at a low cost.

I still attribute the original poster's gains to the Nitrotech, though.

 

[Monolith]

methylated methoxyisoflavone?

 

[Vieope]

Originally posted by brodus
Yes, I've read that link, as well as a ton of other stuff, including a translated European study.

It was a russian study, wasn´t it ? Do you remember where it is ? I would like to read this. The problem is that it was the only study about it.

I still attribute the original poster's gains to the Nitrotech, though.

That is the problem, people are stacking with everything and always changing diet/training, that is why it is so hard to say what caused the muscle gain.

 

[David Tolson]

Because there was so much interest we picked this up in bulk powder form, so it should be more affordable for those that want to try it.

http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=1040

 

[brodus]

Wonderful!

Someone should do a test and post results.

 

[irontime]

Originally posted by brodus
That's awesome! Glad you're making fast gains!

How much Methoxy in milligrams are you taking in a day?

Have you used creatine before?

Unless you are taking in over a gram of methoxy a day, I would attribute the gains to the Nitrotech, which has around 5gms of Creatine a serving, according to independent lab assay. That alone can pack on 5lbs.

I'm not discounting the effects of Methoxy--I do plan on giving Methoxy a shot in the future, but only at the high doses that were studied scientifically. I buying a bunch of raw powder for economy.

Can't remember what the milligrams on it are off hand, but I take two twice a day with protein and testostrogain.

Yes I've used creatine many times, but I can't give the credit to Nitrotech. I've been on Nitrotech for a while and nothing like this has happened. Plus the fact that my buddy who couldn't gain weight no matter what he ate put on ten pounds is enough to make me a believer.

I've been on it for a couple of weeks now, and for my biggest result is the dumbell press on flat bench.
Two weeks ago I needed a spot to do 5 reps of the 120lb dumbells. Today I pulled off 5 reps of the 130lb dumbells with NO spot. I definitely think this shit is working and say if you're thinking of trying it, try it

 

[Eggs]

What're they paying you IT? Dirty bastard...

Nah, just kidding. Hrmmm, I'm not sure about methoxyisoflavones. I took this protein powder once that had it in it (Methoxy Pro?) but the stuff was so foul it about ripped my stomach out. It had some minor effects... why dont you tell us your dosing when you get a chance.

 

[irontime]

Originally posted by Eggs
Hrmmm, I'm not sure about methoxyisoflavones. I took this protein powder once that had it in it (Methoxy Pro?) but the stuff was so foul it about ripped my stomach out. It had some minor effects... why dont you tell us your dosing when you get a chance.

This stuff is pill form so it's not really foul

The next time I'll be on a computer will be monday so hopefully I'll remember to write down the info on the bottle

 

[brodus]

I was planning on doind a bridge cycle of this stuff, 2 grams each day Methoxy/1 gram Ipriflavone, but if it tastes that bad, I might not. I was just going to dump it in my protein shake--bad idea?

 

[irontime]

Originally posted by brodus
I was planning on doind a bridge cycle of this stuff, 2 grams each day Methoxy/1 gram Ipriflavone, but if it tastes that bad, I might not. I was just going to dump it in my protein shake--bad idea?

Why not just get the pill form from EAS?

 

[Monolith]

Originally posted by irontime
Two weeks ago I needed a spot to do 5 reps of the 120lb dumbells. Today I pulled off 5 reps of the 130lb dumbells with NO spot. I definitely think this shit is working and say if you're thinking of trying it, try it

wow... so the only thing youve changed in your routine/diet is the addition of methoxyisoflavone? Those are some incredibly impressive results for just 2 weeks.

How fast was your DB bench increasing before you started using this stuff?

 

[brodus]

why not just get the pill form from EAS?

B/C it is a giant ripoff, IMO, when I can get 30 grams of pure methoxy for $24.

 

[maniclion]

Maybe your liver/kidney's are working better since you quit drinking recently?

 

[samat631]

Originally posted by brodus
"scientifcally proven"

That's marketing lingo, not what a study said. Conclusions in research are virtually always "might," "seems to," and "could."

Methoxy MIGHT exert an anabolic inflluence on humans IF TAKEN AT 1.5 to 2 grams per day. The only way to do this economically is to purchase bulk powder.

where can i find this shit in bulk powder?

 

[brodus]

http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=1040

 

[Mudge]

B6 is neccessary in amino metabolism, I take some along with my anti-oxidants in the morning.

 

[irontime]

Originally posted by Monolith
How fast was your DB bench increasing before you started using this stuff?

That's a toughy, I was pretty much gaining a rep every other week or so (not sure exactly, never really paid attention). But this was a huge jump. Just one day I started pushing my normal weights and thought to myself 'this feels WAY too easy' and there it was.

 

[irontime]

Originally posted by maniclion
Maybe your liver/kidney's are working better since you quit drinking recently?

Ya I can't rule that out. I've been feeling better in general since then.

 

[irontime]

Originally posted by Eggs
why dont you tell us your dosing when you get a chance.

Almost forgot to write it down this morning but I was cooking some eggs and Oh ya, Eggs had a question

2 Capsules contain;
5-methyl 7-methoxy-isoflavene, 200mg
cyandis vaga, 40mg


I take two twice a day. Hope that helps, just don't ask me what that stuff means