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If I remember correctly, one of my first posts was to somebody who asked the same question, but, I beat ya to it last time...Robert DiMaggio said:no, it's not worth taking unless you are deficient, which might be when you're about 60 years old.
Anywho, what big Robbie D says is the truth, chances are, it wont help at all.
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rrgg said:
I know.. the body produces its peak in the mid 20s.. From then on its down hill.. Why he said 60 is probably to distance himself as much as possible from the notion that anything could be less than perfect in HIS body
Or else, just to prove to himself that this is only an Old guys product; something that he doenst have to think about for decades.. Dont kid yourself; it happens a whole lot faster than you think. .ONe day, your 25; the next, you roll over and youre 44.. Scary shxt, but it happens just like that for most folks. Fact is, if youre over 30 or 35 as you said, odds are very good that your natural dhea production is down.Now, let me relay something about this stuff for people who say it doesnt work. Granted, im in my 50s, so odds are my dhea level is considerably below yours. And based on that, on June 7 I started up taking 100 mg/day. Ive made nice gains on my lifts since then, but I did before I started taking it too, so to me, that part is not definitive. However, there IS one thing Im certain of. After a couple of wks taking it, there is no doubt I became more irritable, and quicker to blow my cool. Plus, I found it much harder to get any more than like 5 hrs sleep a night.
Why did this happen? After researching it, I found that these side effects are not at all unusual for too big a dose. Now, kids, what is it that makes you quicker to lose your temper, more aggressive, and makes it tougher to sleep? Yes, being horny. But aside from that, its TEST! This is a prime indicator to me that this stuff caused the production of test in my body to go up.. But Total Test, not Free Test.
Now, guess what would happen if you combine the greater test production with a product which would break the SHBG bond, like Activate, or Blue Rhino, or any product that uses Avena Sativa, of which that is the main effect? Its called More Free Test, and That IS the kind of test we can use to build muscle.
No wonder Ive heard from several guys who have stacked dhea with these products to wonderful results. But, to hell with that cranky stuff. IM reordering, but at 25 grams, not 100!
DHEA is a precursor to Andro, the problem is it can convert to estrogen and testosterone. I would not recommend it to anyone under 50 years old and definitely don't go above 100mg's per day.
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Robert DiMaggio said:
Actually, the warning labels mostly use 40 as the bottom age. But I also want to stress dose.. Dont just jump in with 100 mg, and assume thats right for you. I did that, and I had some good effect, but by and large, the jumpiness and irritability it created, and insomnia, Im positive were dose related. .I went back and ordered some at a tab dose of 25 mg, where Ill resume taking it, and if all is well, I may push to 50, so long as the side effects stay away. I believe in it, for the over 40 set, but just dont assume you need 100 mg.
>>the problem is it can convert to estrogen and testosterone<<
Is that the problem, or the benefit?! The thing about dhea is that it has the ability to convert to any of 50 different hormones, according to what your body needs. .IF you have a Test shortage, as to most men over 40, then odds are thats what its going to convert to. Judging by my side effects, thats Exactly what it did... But its not free test, so its use is questionable for building muscle. However, with a product like Activate, or Blue Rhino, or any of the others that will free some of the test up by breaking the SHBG bonds, then the dhea might help provide the raw material for this stack to do especially well.. Which is just what ive heard from several users.
well, I am glad you feel that it works for you...on another note you may not be able to obtain it legally soon: http://www.usfa.biz/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=40
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Robert DiMaggio said:
>> I am glad you feel that it works for you...<<
Id say the jury is still out on that one. I thought it was working for me. But as I said.. after a couple of weeks, my temperment/personality changed a little, as I became very easily annoyed, and it became impossible for me to sleep more than 4-5 hrs. Maybe it was the lack of sleep that caused the aggressiveness and irritability.. thats impossible to say. I was letting all kinds of things in the gym annoy me, like even if a guy was just taking too long on a bench I wanted to use. That kind of thing would always roll off my back, and I took it in stride. But all of a sudden, it started getting me mad. There is no doubt that overall, for me, on this 100mg daily dose, the way I felt wasnt fun. The added agressiveness, and insomnia sounds like the result of a test increase doesnt it? Now, if this were Free test, it might have done some good. My lifts and/or reps were increasing nicely, but its real hard to say whether I can attribute that to dhea, or to normal growth. So, for me, I think the jury is still out.. In a few days, I will resume taking it, but at 25 grams/day instead of 100.. IF that feels ok after a couple weeks, I may try and bump it to 50 grams, but that is all.. What Im hoping will happen is that this extra test it seems to be causing to be produced will provide the raw material for a Blue Rhino cycle Im going to start.. Both Blue Rhino and Activate have the effect of breaking up the SHBG test bonds, thereby increasing free Test.
Yea. I know.. re its legality.. Ive written my legislative reps about it.. there are form letters all over the net making it easy for folks to voice their opinions, to an administration who seems hell bent on taking away our rights. From what I heard, they were all set to include dhea in with the other banned prohormones, except the senior lobby, and others, made such a stink, that the only way they could get the steroid and pro hormone ban passed was with a promise to leave dhea untouched. Now that theyve got their prohormone ban, to hell with their agreement.. So dhea is back on the cutting table.. Yea.. our government sure has alot of integrity, doesnt it. Why is it that we're allowed to drink alcohol, smoke tobacco, but not to make our own decisions about what fitness products we're allowed to use? We're not talking about pouring some substance down your neighbor's throat; we're talking about simply being in control of what we take into our own body. Hell.. we're allowed to consume fast foods by the bucket, which is probably more responsible for high cholesterol levels and resulting sickness than any other thing. But prohormones of ALL kinds? Nope.. Thats illegal! To me, it makes about as much sense as does our law making suicide illegal! For an 'enlightened society', we sure have some primitive ideas.
DHEA isn't worth taking unless you are older....like 40+....otherwise your money is better spent on some protein or creatine..etc.
