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Did the greats use gear?

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As I was listening to a podcast, I started thinking: Did Ed Coan take steroids? How about Bill kazmire? Kirk kowaoski? Jon Anderson?
Anyone else wonder about some of greats? So I guess I'm asking you all, do u know of any of the greats ever confess to using steroids?


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..OTG85 ,, wrote a great post on 'old school roid cycles' from 2013.. it's great !! Bill Kazmaier used but tried the hide the fact....

Steroid cycles from the 60's,70's,80's,90's
Norandro-1.jpg

Bro's what ya fink of this...Pretty interesting..Steroid use over the past 40 years has gone through a plethora of changes and it is often interesting to hear what people's opinions are in terms of what was taken and how much.
Let's take a look at the steroid use timeline.


1960's: The common vogue during this time period was amazingly simplistic and EXTREMELY conservative. Guys like Scott, Howorth, Ortiz, Draper, etc....would literally debate over whether they should up the dosage of D-BOL from 3 to 4 pills per day!! It was only in the latter part of the 60's that Deca was added to the D-bol. Typically during this era the bodybuilders would stay on maybe 4 months out of the year and take the remaining 8 months off.


1970's: The D-Bol and Deca was still the preferred stack in the early part of the 70's and in fact most bodybuilders would use this stack up to a show only dropping the D-Bol 3 days before the contest. As the decade progressed other stacks were experimented with such as Anadrol/Anavar....Deca/Winstrol...and Arnold's personal favorite: Primobolan Acetate and D-Bol. Towards the end of the decade thyroid drugs were just starting to be experimented with for that ultra-ripped look. Typically during this era in bodybuilding the bodybuilders would stay on for maybe 6 months out of the year max and have at least 6 months clean.


1980's: Ah...the good ole days. Any steroid you wanted could be obtained for ridiculously low prices...for example 100 D-Bol $8.00, 2ml of Deca $7.00. In the very early part of the decade, bodybuilders were still conservative in their doses and often stayed off for extended periods of time, but by the mid 80's bodybuilders NEVER came off and developed very sophisticated stacks. Here is an example of a typical off-season stack for an 80's bodybuilder:


TEST: 400MG PER WEEK


DECA: 400MG PER WEEK


PARABOLAN: 3 AMPS PER WEEK


D-BOL: 10 TABS PER DAY


ANADROL: 2 TABS PER DAY


NOVLADEX: 1 TAB PER DAY


CYTOMEL: 50MCG PER DAY


Pre contest would change slightly and look like this:


FINAJECT: 30MG PER DAY


WINSTROL: 50MG PER DAY


PRIMOBOLAN ACETATE: 20MG PER DAY


ANAVAR: 20MG PER DAY


PROVIRON: 50MG PER DAY


NOVLADEX: 20MG PER DAY


CRESCORMIN (GH)-4IU PER DAY


THIOMUCASE (INJECTION) ONCE PER DAY FOR THE LAST 2 WEEKS


CYTOMEL: 75MG PER DAY


ALDACTONE/LASIX: LAST 4 DAYS


The 80's also saw the introduction in so called designer drugs such as the East German "BOLASTERONE" which was actually made in California...it consisted of Anadrol-50, test proprionate, methandriol, anavar and sustenon in an H2O suspension. Also as the decade came to a close, some bodybuilders started to experiment with insulin and insulin mimickers.


The 1990's-present: Well guys pretty much use what they can get their hands on in LARGE doses with an array of anti-estrogens. Typically an offseason stack would last for 16 weeks and then have a 3-4 week break period. It would look like this:


PHASE 1:


1-2 GRAMS OF TEST PER WEEK


1-2 GRAMS OF DECA PER WEEK


50-100MG OF D-BOL PER DAY


OR


150MG OF ANADROL PER DAY


1 ARIMIDEX PER DAY


3 TESLAC


4IU OF GH PER DAY OR MORE


15-20 IU OF SHORT ACTING INSULIN AFTER TRAINING


PHASE 2:


50-100MG OF WINSTROL PER DAY


30-50MG OF HALOTESTIN PER DAY


100MG OF TEST PROPRIONATE PER DAY


40MG OF FINAPLEX PER DAY


1-2 ANADROL PER DAY


1 ARIMIDEX PER DAY


6 TESLAC PER DAY


2 NOVLADEX PER DAY


4 CYTOMEL PER DAY


As you can see by looking at the above course, it is divided into long acting and short acting phases.


Pre contest varies a lot and everyone uses as much GH as they can afford with as much CLENBUTEROL as they can tolerate along with a boatload of anti-estrogens. Most guys would prefer PARABOLAN AND ANAVAR...but must use what they can readily get. From the mid 1990's on, Diuretic use has become a science since a increasingly larger number of Pro shows are testing for them, so they vary a great deal.


Well there you have it for what it's worth, a brief history of steroid use in bodybuilding over the last 40 years. If nothing else, reading this information should give you a new found respect for guys like Arnold, Mentzer and Sergio. They used small amounts relatively speaking by the standards of the 80's and 90's yet built amazingly rugged and dense physiques. They had sub-par nutritional practices as well and nothing but dumbbells and barbells at their disposal. Just thinking of what Sergio Olivia might look like if he followed the practices of 90's bodybuilders is enough to send chills up mine spine. I'm thinking a 5'9'' 280lbs. freak with 23 inch arms and 30 inch waist 60 inch chest, 35 inch quads and 22 inch calves all in completely rock hard shredded condition. Until next time...​
 
..OTG85 ,, wrote a great post on 'old school roid cycles' from 2013.. it's great !! Bill Kazmaier used but tried the hide the fact....

Steroid cycles from the 60's,70's,80's,90's
Norandro-1.jpg

Bro's what ya fink of this...Pretty interesting..Steroid use over the past 40 years has gone through a plethora of changes and it is often interesting to hear what people's opinions are in terms of what was taken and how much.
Let's take a look at the steroid use timeline.


1960's: The common vogue during this time period was amazingly simplistic and EXTREMELY conservative. Guys like Scott, Howorth, Ortiz, Draper, etc....would literally debate over whether they should up the dosage of D-BOL from 3 to 4 pills per day!! It was only in the latter part of the 60's that Deca was added to the D-bol. Typically during this era the bodybuilders would stay on maybe 4 months out of the year and take the remaining 8 months off.


1970's: The D-Bol and Deca was still the preferred stack in the early part of the 70's and in fact most bodybuilders would use this stack up to a show only dropping the D-Bol 3 days before the contest. As the decade progressed other stacks were experimented with such as Anadrol/Anavar....Deca/Winstrol...and Arnold's personal favorite: Primobolan Acetate and D-Bol. Towards the end of the decade thyroid drugs were just starting to be experimented with for that ultra-ripped look. Typically during this era in bodybuilding the bodybuilders would stay on for maybe 6 months out of the year max and have at least 6 months clean.


1980's: Ah...the good ole days. Any steroid you wanted could be obtained for ridiculously low prices...for example 100 D-Bol $8.00, 2ml of Deca $7.00. In the very early part of the decade, bodybuilders were still conservative in their doses and often stayed off for extended periods of time, but by the mid 80's bodybuilders NEVER came off and developed very sophisticated stacks. Here is an example of a typical off-season stack for an 80's bodybuilder:


TEST: 400MG PER WEEK


DECA: 400MG PER WEEK


PARABOLAN: 3 AMPS PER WEEK


D-BOL: 10 TABS PER DAY


ANADROL: 2 TABS PER DAY


NOVLADEX: 1 TAB PER DAY


CYTOMEL: 50MCG PER DAY


Pre contest would change slightly and look like this:


FINAJECT: 30MG PER DAY


WINSTROL: 50MG PER DAY


PRIMOBOLAN ACETATE: 20MG PER DAY


ANAVAR: 20MG PER DAY


PROVIRON: 50MG PER DAY


NOVLADEX: 20MG PER DAY


CRESCORMIN (GH)-4IU PER DAY


THIOMUCASE (INJECTION) ONCE PER DAY FOR THE LAST 2 WEEKS


CYTOMEL: 75MG PER DAY


ALDACTONE/LASIX: LAST 4 DAYS


The 80's also saw the introduction in so called designer drugs such as the East German "BOLASTERONE" which was actually made in California...it consisted of Anadrol-50, test proprionate, methandriol, anavar and sustenon in an H2O suspension. Also as the decade came to a close, some bodybuilders started to experiment with insulin and insulin mimickers.


The 1990's-present: Well guys pretty much use what they can get their hands on in LARGE doses with an array of anti-estrogens. Typically an offseason stack would last for 16 weeks and then have a 3-4 week break period. It would look like this:


PHASE 1:


1-2 GRAMS OF TEST PER WEEK


1-2 GRAMS OF DECA PER WEEK


50-100MG OF D-BOL PER DAY


OR


150MG OF ANADROL PER DAY


1 ARIMIDEX PER DAY


3 TESLAC


4IU OF GH PER DAY OR MORE


15-20 IU OF SHORT ACTING INSULIN AFTER TRAINING


PHASE 2:


50-100MG OF WINSTROL PER DAY


30-50MG OF HALOTESTIN PER DAY


100MG OF TEST PROPRIONATE PER DAY


40MG OF FINAPLEX PER DAY


1-2 ANADROL PER DAY


1 ARIMIDEX PER DAY


6 TESLAC PER DAY


2 NOVLADEX PER DAY


4 CYTOMEL PER DAY


As you can see by looking at the above course, it is divided into long acting and short acting phases.


Pre contest varies a lot and everyone uses as much GH as they can afford with as much CLENBUTEROL as they can tolerate along with a boatload of anti-estrogens. Most guys would prefer PARABOLAN AND ANAVAR...but must use what they can readily get. From the mid 1990's on, Diuretic use has become a science since a increasingly larger number of Pro shows are testing for them, so they vary a great deal.


Well there you have it for what it's worth, a brief history of steroid use in bodybuilding over the last 40 years. If nothing else, reading this information should give you a new found respect for guys like Arnold, Mentzer and Sergio. They used small amounts relatively speaking by the standards of the 80's and 90's yet built amazingly rugged and dense physiques. They had sub-par nutritional practices as well and nothing but dumbbells and barbells at their disposal. Just thinking of what Sergio Olivia might look like if he followed the practices of 90's bodybuilders is enough to send chills up mine spine. I'm thinking a 5'9'' 280lbs. freak with 23 inch arms and 30 inch waist 60 inch chest, 35 inch quads and 22 inch calves all in completely rock hard shredded condition. Until next time...​

Wow! Thanks for the knowledge. I thought for sure test-cyponate would be the first used. A quick google search, I found this... leave it to America to make the first designer steroids, then cry foul play when the Germans and Russians did it better...
https://www.steroid.com/History-of-Steroids.php



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