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1fast400.com still has some!!
It's now dpsnutrition.net. Update your bookmark.
Originally posted by Prince
yeah, I know but I only order from DPS, I guess if I get desperate I will go there.
I ordered 4 bottles of One+ a few weeks ago before DPS ran out.
And? Have you used any of them yet? This your forst foray into PH/PSs?
Currently into my third week of One+, yes first time using the "pro-steroids", I used some of the crappy pro-hormones a couple of years ago.
I will attest to the fact the the stuff (1-test & 4-AD) WORKS!
I will attest to the fact the the stuff (1-test & 4-AD) WORKS!
Originally posted by Prince
Currently into my third week of One+, yes first time using the "pro-steroids", I used some of the crappy pro-hormones a couple of years ago.
I will attest to the fact the the stuff (1-test & 4-AD) WORKS!
No surprise there.
What dosage (mgs of each) are you taking?
I started out using around 6-8 squirts 2x per day, this past week I upped it to 10 squirts 2x per day.
I was thinking about rubbing down my whole body with it just as an experiment...just kidding.
I was thinking about rubbing down my whole body with it just as an experiment...just kidding.
Originally posted by Prince
I started out using around 6-8 squirts 2x per day, this past week I upped it to 10 squirts 2x per day.
I was thinking about rubbing down my whole body with it just as an experiment...just kidding.
I forget what that works out to mg-wise for 1T and 4AD. I am thinking about working up to 400mg of 1T a day next time, myself.
Originally posted by Prince
Now I have a dilema!
Can I still call myself natural?
Depends on how you define natural. Personally, I think that's an outmoded term. Since 1T is an AAS, no you can't. That said, what does natural mean? Is creatine "natural"? I think the line is blurred beyond recognition.
I say, you can call yourself 100% legal.
do you have a supply in case it's no longer available, or are you going to buy the raw materials and mix it yourself?
do you have any idea how much 1fast400.com has on hand?
do you have any idea how much 1fast400.com has on hand?
I have enough. Also, Mike (1fast) sells the bulk PHs and I can always get the plain gels from Par (both Avant and Mike still have them).
Last I talked to Mike he had some, but not that much. It all depends I guess on whether and how much people stockpile. I doubt anyone other than Mike has any left.
Originally posted by Prince
since you're attorney, what is the oulook on the "pro-hormone" ban? any updates?
not sure if it helps, but I sent in 5 letters to my representatives.no reply yet.
Senators seem to be mixed on if and how they reply. Outlook is hard to say. Its hard to fight a pitch "for the children" and most don't understand the issues fully.
Industry talk is mixed as well. Some think it has a chance of lossing most don't. Some companies are fighting hard, others are not. Really tough call. Just my hunch, for what its worth, I'd say 60/40 likely to be passed. Perhaps higher since the public opinion is particularly low on supplements these days.
yeah, that's about what I have heard as well.
if it did pass when would the ban take effect and how long before it's removed from the market completely?
in other words, is there a set date of when it either gets passed or not?
if it did pass when would the ban take effect and how long before it's removed from the market completely?
in other words, is there a set date of when it either gets passed or not?
Prince, if you like the ONE+ so much, I`d grab a SuperONE; while they are still available!!
I was thinking about it, but I already spent $200 on 4 bottles of One+ (which I have not even opened yet) and I just bought some orals of 1-AD, 4-AD and 6-OXO that cost me another $100.
Over double the test from the top of my head. Quite a difference I would assume.
The difference between One+ and Super One+ is that the ratio of 1test to 4-diol is different. I forget the exact ratios of each but for the Super you have more 1T added it, so you get more mg of 1T for every mg of 4diol.
"Super ONE+ has 3.375g of 1-Testosterone added to ONE+, which makes Super ONE+ 6g of 1-test and 9.375g of 4AD. Each squirt would supply you with 16.66mg of 1-Testosterone and 26.04mg of 4AD. At six squirts 2x per day, it will last you a month."
Taken from 1fast400.com
Means you are getting about 2.3 times the 1T of ONE+
Taken from 1fast400.com
Means you are getting about 2.3 times the 1T of ONE+
This is true as to the WHOLE bottle. Not necessarily true as to the daily dose.
You have three choices:
1) Keep dosage (no. of squirts) the same, thus taking in 2.3 times as much 1T, and the same amount of 4diol.
2) Decrease the no. quirts so that the amount of 1T stays the same and the 4diol decreases (thus using the diol less as an androgen and more to conteract certain sides of 1T).
3) Something in between.
My point is that you could always up the 1T dose of One+ by simply using more squirts, of course, you'd be incrementaly increasing 4diol amount.
My ultimate point is that one should decide on the ratio of 1T to 4 Diol that one wants and then the appropriate doses and manipulate the formulate to meet ones desires (by adding extra PH, etc.)
Which is why I personly like the Monster combo.......double the amount of 1T to SuperONE+ ( 12g rather than 6g ), with the added bonus of it coming in a seperate bottle to the 4AD giving more control over dosages.
