first cycle test c and possibly winny

[1DAVE]

What's up bros, I'm new to the anabolic world and just have a few questions on my potential 10 wk cycle.
Wk 1-10 test c 250, pin twice wk Mon. and thurs.
Anastrozole 1mg eod throughout cycle and pct?
Wk 6-10 gp stan 50mg eod/ or is this a bad idea?
PCT
Nolva 40/40/20/20

33yr old
6'3" 235lbs
18% bf

Positive criticism is appreciated,
thanx

 

[SoCalSwole]

When you say test C 250 twice a week do you mean you will inject 2 ml's of it for your week total? or? 1ml twice a week would be 500 a week. looks pretty cut and dry. The only red flag I saw was you are at 18% BF. Being new to AAS it is unlikely that you have your diet locked in, and then there is the question about the level of your training and how long you have been at this. 18% is on the edge of being too high to be on AAS. There could be BP issues with carrying that kind of weight, and unless you are strict with your nutrition it is likely you will actually gain more fat during this cycle.

The addition of winstrol at weeks 6-10 normally at the end of a cycle would be to further show cuts and muscle density at the end of the cycle. However I don't think in your case you would see much of that carrying so much fat. Winstrol is good for strength gains but most people have a hard time tolerating it due to the drying effects it has. Your joints will feel arthritic.

The important thing is decide what you want out of this cycle. Are you trying to just get strong or is muscle hypertrophy your goal? This cycle can do either its the diet and training that makes the difference. In my humble opinion for a first cycle I always advise sticking with just one compound and seeing how it hits you. learn how much Anastrozole you need for that dose. Learn how your body feels on test. Then maybe next cycle depending on your goals you can add orals. Good luck.

 

[skinnyguy180]

i dont know what you have but if i was going to PCT I would use clomid and aromasin. and I would just use aromasin through out instead of anastrozole. its just easier. but you need to at least add clomid to the pct.

 

[SoCalSwole]

i dont know what you have but if i was going to PCT I would use clomid and aromasin. and I would just use aromasin through out instead of anastrozole. its just easier. but you need to at least add clomid to the pct.

I would agree with you on the aromasin. I used Adex for years and then finally tried aromasin, now i will never go back. Seems to be much more effective and easier to figure out the right dose.

 

[1DAVE]

Yes 500mg wk, I know the body fat is a prob been working hard to get it gone, been weight training off and on for a few years now, but the last 6 months I've been hitting it hard working out 4 or 5 times a week and 45 min/day cardio, diet had been in check the last 6 months protien shakes or omelet breakfast, salmon or chicken breast w Brown rice lunch and usually chicken or fish w veggies for dinner, sometimes steak, lost quite a bit of weight lately but it seems genetics has dealt me a bad hand on the belly fat.... So Clomid and aromasin, sounds good

 

[1DAVE]

Only reason I even thought about adding the winny is because the belly fat, thought it might add a booster for the abs work out

 

[1DAVE]

What is a good Clomid pct regiment, and would 12.5mg aromasin eod suffice

 

[SoCalSwole]

Yes 500mg wk, I know the body fat is a prob been working hard to get it gone, been weight training off and on for a few years now, but the last 6 months I've been hitting it hard working out 4 or 5 times a week and 45 min/day cardio, diet had been in check the last 6 months protien shakes or omelet breakfast, salmon or chicken breast w Brown rice lunch and usually chicken or fish w veggies for dinner, sometimes steak, lost quite a bit of weight lately but it seems genetics has dealt me a bad hand on the belly fat.... So Clomid and aromasin, sounds good

I was in the same boat for years with BF. Yes genetics do have something to do with it. For me I did not start making big strides with BF reduction and muscle gains until I split the 2 tasks up. Once I got the BF in check it was much easier to make lean gains and control the BF. Also I have much less sides from AAS now that I am leaner. If I were you I would take the 500 a week test and try to lose as much BF as you can the first 10 week cycle. Get down into the low teens for BF then go for your second cycle and eat really well and gain knowing you will probably gain a few points of BF but who cares because if you start at 11% and go up to 16% its pretty easy to cut that back down to 11%. But if your already 18% and you go up to 22% Its a long haul down to 11% and you will most likely lose most or all of the gains you made.

If you diet down now while on cycle you won't lose any gains due to the high test. As a body builder I would never try to reduce BF unless I am on at least a cruise dose of test. I did the bulk then cut thing for years with little to no progress. Unless you can bulk up to huge proportions with keeping the BF under 15% I wouldn't consider a bulk then lean protocol. For endomorphs I think its best to get lean first then build up. The build up is easy for endos and mesos. Unless your an Ecto I would not do the Bulk then lean.

 

[1DAVE]

Thanks for the good advice bro, I'm gonna keep hitting that cardio hard, with a some hard work I'm sure I can beat the genetics odds...

 

[adam.hurst.54]

A lot of people say not to use orals or injectables like var, winny, and masteron if you have higher body fat. Regardless of if you see the muscle hardening effects due to higher body fat, these compounds are still beneficial. The anabolic strength effects are felt no matter what body fat percentage you are at. Masteron and var personally helped me during a cutting cycle to get down to my current 10% body fat from my original 25%. Through rigorous training, diet, and anabolics, I was able to shed over 60lbs of body fat in a 6 month period. I would also use aromasin instead. Be careful about the amount of AI you take during a cycle. Estrogen plays a key role in strength gains. Too much can interfere with your gains and make you tired, and cause side effects such as gyno. Too little and you can plateau. I like to let my estrogen ride up to that fine line, once I start feeling some tissue hardening under my nipple, I start to take aromasin and a little bit of a SERM such as torem. listen to your body and take everything in moderation.

 

[dagambd]

I have to agree with Adam. If I understand the effects of test correctly, specifically speaking about long esters such as test cyp or E, your test level will take some time to reach the higher levels we are trying to achieve. Your estrogen rises as test level rises and thats different for every individual. In that case, you dont really need aromasin or another ai till you hit weeks 3 and possibly as far along as week 5. And you need to be very careful with aromasin. It is a suicidal ai which means it kills the estrogen. You can easily bottom out your estrogen level. I've posted this in several other posts because it can make your life a living hell and dont want to see it happen to others. Pay very close attention to your body and you'll be fine. One last thing, just run test. Throwing in multiple compounds your first time will frustrate you if shit goes south. You wont know what's causing the problem. Good luck.

 

[1DAVE]

Thanks for the info bro, I have ordered aromasin instead of Anastrozole and Clomid instead of nolva, I'm planning on 12.5mg eod of aromasin and 100/100/50/50 Clomid for pct

 

[1DAVE]

Ok sounds good I'll just hold out on the winny and wait for wait for signs before aromasin, but how long does it take aromasin to activate in the body

 

[dagambd]

It has a very short half life, i think 10 hours and kills roughly 75% of estrogen during thst time. Dont quote me on time or percentage lol. Big things to take away is that it will do its job practically over night. I left my estrogen alone for almost 6-7 weeks. Didn't really have any of the noticeable high estro signs but could tell something wasnt "right". Big thing I noticed looking back was the aggression in the gym was gone and libido was gone. I took one 12.5 mg dose and the very next day i was feeling better. Also, as you can see, aromasin kills estrogen and kills a lot of it hence you have to be careful. My dumbass thought if 12.5 mg made me feel that good, my estro must be really high. Wrong! I doubled the dose the next day and took 12.5 mg the following day. You want to know what hell feels like? Try doing that. I fucked myself up real good and proper. Im still recovering from that one but getting better. Live and learn right. Lost a bunch of weight. Didn't want to eat and couldn't do anything in the gym. Good thing it has a short half life. Ok. Im done rambling. Take care.

 

[dagambd]

Good thing holding off on the winny.

 

[1DAVE]

I'll keep for my next go-round

 

[dagambd]

I googled aromasin half life. Study published in PubMed showed half-life of 8.9 hours with maximal estradiol suppression of 62 +/- 14% at 12 hours post. I've read these same kind of findings elsewhere but hate to post percentages and other information without looking it up myself. Very potent stuff. Be careful.

 

[1DAVE]

Ok thanks, good info, I'll start very low and slow