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Fuck the Sioux though

SheriV

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Seriously..who do they think they are? Americans?!
 
SheriV said:
Seriously..who do they think they are? Americans?!
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.. if trump calls them immigrants without birth certificates , distorting the 'American dream', with long hair & dark skin, asking for their 'human rights'.... all I can say is 'what nerve'.....bunch of fucking liberals ...probably voted for Hillary[how anti American] and Trump will show them who owns what.....there's most likely 3 or 4 million illegal voters in that tribe.. American Indians are the proof that you can't trust immigrants ... :paddle:
 
thats all I'm sayin!

can't trust people with skin a different color than your own...from another country/nation!
 
..why don't the Sioux call themselves Sue, it would be easier for us older white Americans to spell . It won't be a problem for the young Americans, because soon all the tribes will be gone... Hey how are you, Hey how are you, Hey how are you ....=famous Indian chant..
 
I agree ...Sioux sounds foreign- it has obvious foreign sounds, obvious. Its really obvious they're different. They should conform. Be more like people native to this country. natives only. We should make sure they don't post on social media because that's really unfair. Freedom of speech is incredibly unfair.
Sue would be much easier to spell. Much easier.
 
The "Sioux" call themselves; Dakota, Lakota or Nakota; it's tied to the language dialect they speak. I lived with the Dakota and Lakota for 2 years back in 1971-73, I lived in Pine Ridge during the Wounded Knee occupation. I know a fair amount about the "Sioux". I didn't see many in the protest camps; it's really not their style. Their culture has been decimated by the US Government; by giving them food, money with no accountability, they have managed to destroy most all of the cultural pride the early Dakota tribes had. It is a very sad situation. You want to know about it; go live on the Standing Rock or Pine Ridge reservations for a few years. Do that, then come back and tell me about it.

charley said:
..why don't the Sioux call themselves Sue, it would be easier for us older white Americans to spell . It won't be a problem for the young Americans, because soon all the tribes will be gone... Hey how are you, Hey how are you, Hey how are you ....=famous Indian chant..
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solidassears said:
The "Sioux" call themselves; Dakota, Lakota or Nakota; it's tied to the language dialect they speak. I lived with the Dakota and Lakota for 2 years back in 1971-73, I lived in Pine Ridge during the Wounded Knee occupation. I know a fair amount about the "Sioux". I didn't see many in the protest camps; it's really not their style. Their culture has been decimated by the US Government; by giving them food, money with no accountability, they have managed to destroy most all of the cultural pride the early Dakota tribes had. It is a very sad situation. You want to know about it; go live on the Standing Rock or Pine Ridge reservations for a few years. Do that, then come back and tell me about it.
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,,, thx bro, nice post

..by the way , my remarks were sarcastic , my commentary was 100% in jest... my point is the USA doesn't care about the original land dwellers....
 
I understand, no worries.

The government not only didn't care, the government has systematically tried to destroy their culture. If you want to read about how our government takes care of the Dakota read the book "Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee".
 
solidassear said:
I understand, no worries.

The government not only didn't care, the government has systematically tried to destroy their culture. If you want to read about how our government takes care of the Dakota read the book "Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee".
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I have read 'Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee' , also 'Black Elk Speaks' which is another good book...
 
solidassears said:
I understand, no worries.

The government not only didn't care, the government has systematically tried to destroy their culture. If you want to read about how our government takes care of the Dakota read the book "Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee".
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Ditto to what Charley said...I'm actually making a very bad parody .

Shouldn't trust people from foreign nations (like native Americans shouldn't have trusted early settlers/conquerors) and some native tribes are considered sovereign nations (some of my family is Narragansett and Pequot) ....it's a play on words in anger.

I'm aghast that the keystone pipeline project will go through now ... because merica' , when it's been expressed that the pipeline will not have a significant positive financial impact...not does it necessarily pose a significant environmental risk...it's the fact that these people don't want this thing through this horrible land they were forced into as being their own..and now it's not even their own. I guess hands off government only applies when it isnt in line with one's potential gain however superficial it may be.
 
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I don't know if the people who live there want the pipeline or not; I could see that the protestors did not appear to be Tribal members, so who knows. It reminded me of the Wounded Knee stand off of 1972-73. I lived there and knew the people who lived there and they did not want the protestors there; the tribe had a possey ready to go into the Wounded Knee crossroads and arrest and take the protestors out; it was the US Marshals who stopped them. It was a total fiasco, the tribe had nothing to do with the people protesting and taking over the trading post there.

This pipeline protest reminds me of that situation. The reality is that the pipeline is much safer than transporting the oil via trucks or rail, but Warren Buffet owns the transportation contracts for the oil; they make a lot of money transporting the oil and Warren and Obama were buddies so I imagine that has more to do with holding up the pipeline than any environmental or tribal concerns. Who knows the real truth about this? I don't know, but I do know that what ever the media is reporting and supporting is most likely not the truth.
 
Every person I know whow went to protest personally said they did not want this built through there land. I used to work with a pair of half brothers from that reservation...I wish I still had contact with them to ask their thoughts on it. They did hold a general disdain for anything outside of their reservation and a lot of anger for anyone "white" speaking on their behalf.


I'm also interested in latest comments by the administration that we should have taken control of Iraqi oil...like the US is a dictatorship and no better than pirates.
 
The most glaring "alternative fact" I found with the website .. and I wanted to double check before commenting was that it had army corp of engineers approvals. It does not. Final permitted was blocked specifically by the army corp of engineers
 
solidassears said:
I don't know if the people who live there want the pipeline or not; I could see that the protestors did not appear to be Tribal members, so who knows. It reminded me of the Wounded Knee stand off of 1972-73. I lived there and knew the people who lived there and they did not want the protestors there; the tribe had a possey ready to go into the Wounded Knee crossroads and arrest and take the protestors out; it was the US Marshals who stopped them. It was a total fiasco, the tribe had nothing to do with the people protesting and taking over the trading post there.

This pipeline protest reminds me of that situation. The reality is that the pipeline is much safer than transporting the oil via trucks or rail, but Warren Buffet owns the transportation contracts for the oil; they make a lot of money transporting the oil and Warren and Obama were buddies so I imagine that has more to do with holding up the pipeline than any environmental or tribal concerns. Who knows the real truth about this? I don't know, but I do know that what ever the media is reporting and supporting is most likely not the truth.
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Obama also avoided the pipeline and any commentary or action on it like the plague. ..it may be exactly for the reason you propose ..that he and buffet are buddies and he avoided it politically because of implication. He absolutely was unwillingly dragged into it though at the 11th hour
 
My understanding was that it was approved at one time but that was reversed. But I have no citations to prove that, it's just my memory.

I tried to find the author, but all I could find was this: [FONT=arial, sans-serif]By William F. Shughart II, Morning Consult, October 28, 2016[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]As I said, I really don't know the whole story or reasons, but the whole thing stinks of politics and under the table dealing. The main thing I look at is what makes sense and to me it makes a lot more sense to transport the oil through a pipeline than over the road in tanker trucks or via rail. [/FONT]


SheriV said:
The most glaring "alternative fact" I found with the website .. and I wanted to double check before commenting was that it had army corp of engineers approvals. It does not. Final permitted was blocked specifically by the army corp of engineers
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I guess I don't get why there's a reversal aside from political dickwagging...
Right after screaming about not doing trade with other countries and suddenly we have to have Canadian oil?

It stinks of politics all the way around...I can absolutely concede that.
 
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought this pipeline was for for the oil from the Bakken Fields in the Dakotas. Click on the landowners link and it shows the whole pipeline route.
 
solidassears said:
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought this pipeline was for for the oil from the Bakken Fields in the Dakotas. Click on the landowners link and it shows the whole pipeline route.
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As I said, I really don't know the whole story or reasons, but the whole thing stinks of politics and under the table dealing. The main thing I look at is what makes sense and to me it makes a lot more sense to transport the oil through a pipeline than over the road in tanker trucks or via rail.

..It's for Canadian oil

..it may make more sense to go 'pipe line' vs tanker.... but it's Indian land , can't we leave the American Indian alone, they have been trying to re-organize their tribes after hundreds of years of destruction of their customs & lands....they suffer from severe alcoholism , a gift from the white man...
 
I think it's for Bakken oil from the fields in the Dakotas, the pipeline doesn't go to Canada according to the Landowner link and it avoids the reservations as far as I can tell. I'm no expert; I'm just saying what I have seen and read and I know it doesn't match what CNN reports; which leads me to believe what I read has a better chance of being true.

Take a look at the route of the pipeline and compare that with where the reservations are and where Canada is and where the Bakken and Three Forks Oil fields are.

And I would not bee so sure the Indians are opposed to it; just because CNN says they are, doesn't mean squat to me. CNN=Fake News



charley said:
As I said, I really don't know the whole story or reasons, but the whole thing stinks of politics and under the table dealing. The main thing I look at is what makes sense and to me it makes a lot more sense to transport the oil through a pipeline than over the road in tanker trucks or via rail.

..It's for Canadian oil

..it may make more sense to go 'pipe line' vs tanker.... but it's Indian land , can't we leave the American Indian alone, they have been trying to re-organize their tribes after hundreds of years of destruction of their customs & lands....they suffer from severe alcoholism , a gift from the white man...
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which links it to Canada
 
Murica!


I just can't wait to get dragged back into the IRR somehow
 
npr fake news too?

http://www.npr.org/2015/02/04/38372...-benefits-u-s-and-canada-alberta-premier-says


and let me make something clear....I think realistically theres no way to abandon fossil fuels at this point in time in technology...I myself heat my home with oil and a big ass soapstone woodstove


I think if the predictions (by the company that wants the project- so taken with a grain of salt) for economic boost actually pan out..then thats incredible and absolutely awesome.

what I have a problem with is government imposed easements- whether theyre to straighten a road which is common here or a big pipeline- when land use is taken by the government without consent- it really bothers me.

if they moved it to a location where the was consent and didnt want to move religious artifact to a new location I would shut my trap about it.

it also pisses me off when a politician cherry picks how they'd like to apply their own particular brand of rhetoric
but thats what they do- they lie- its just infuriating to me when people staunchly refuse to concede plain fact
 
solidassears said:
I think it's for Bakken oil from the fields in the Dakotas, the pipeline doesn't go to Canada according to the Landowner link and it avoids the reservations as far as I can tell. I'm no expert; I'm just saying what I have seen and read and I know it doesn't match what CNN reports; which leads me to believe what I read has a better chance of being true.

Take a look at the route of the pipeline and compare that with where the reservations are and where Canada is and where the Bakken and Three Forks Oil fields are.

And I would not bee so sure the Indians are opposed to it; just because CNN says they are, doesn't mean squat to me. CNN=Fake News
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... you were mistaken[wrong] about theDakotas route,it is , Canada... I will use your alternative fact approach, and say you got your info from Fake News, your assumption about me being a cnn fan is a fucking joke... the fact that 'right wingers' don't read[trump]doesn't apply to me ....
.. and of course the Indians want the white man tearing up their Homeland.. Indians wouldn't know what to do without a white mans boot up his ass..[sarcasm].
 
I'm not sure about the DAPL but the XL pipeline is all about moving Canadian oil to a tax free haven in the Gulf of Mexico to sell to the Chinese. It literally diverts oil from our refineries to the Chinese.


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Someone explain this to me, I'm not dumb just ignorant.....We buy a lot of oil from the middle east but when that oil rig blew up in the Gulf a couple years ago it was spewing a couple million gallons a day. doesn't seem right to me....:coffee:
 
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