HCG Necessary?

[Hammer925]

What's up fellas? I'm finally going to run my first cycle, however I have a couple questions before I start. I've ran a few prohormone cycles, but I'm ready to take my training to a whole new level. My training regime is changing all the time, but for now and most likely during the cycle it will be pretty standard. Diet consists of lean cuts of protein, complex carbs, some simple carbs (depending on time of day), LOTS of greens, and essential fats. I like to keep things as simple as possible.


Stats:
24
190lbs
9-10% bf
Lifting for about 7 years consistently for 5-6 days/week

Monday:Chest/Triceps + 20 minutes cardio
Tuesday: Back/Bis + Abs
Wednesday: Shoulders/Traps + 20 minutes cardio----Pin
Thursday: Bis/Tris/Forearms/Abs/Calfs
Friday: Light Chest + Misc. + 20 minutes cardio----Pin
Saturday: Off
Sunday: Legs----Pin

Cycle Inlcudes:
Weeks 1-8 Test Prop 150mg EOD
PCT:
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 100/100/50/50

Now for question. Is HCG necessary for this cycle? It seems like everywhere I look and read, it's something different. Also, has anyone ran a similar cycle with and without and AI? Any input or previous experience is appreciated. Thanks in advance bros.

 

[sofargone561]

Ive never ran it That a very mild cycle to so again i would so no. I have friends who refuse to run anything without. I personally never have

 

[darkshadowlander]

I ran it for the first time recently when my PCT didnt bring me back. For the price and if you want to help maintain fertility as well as testicle size its well worth it.

 

[SUPERFLY1234]

run hcg on long cycles 14+ weeks. if your are that young and running such a short cycle the hcg is not necessary.

 

[l69lou]

Do you HAVE to use Hcg on your cycle, of course not . You don't have to do anything. BUT if you want your natural test levels to return asap the hcg will help greatly. The biggest obstacle to that is testicular atrophy and the Hcg will prevent this to a great degree.

 

[Hammer925]

I ran it for the first time recently when my PCT didnt bring me back. For the price and if you want to help maintain fertility as well as testicle size its well worth it.

Price is not a huge concern, I just want to make sure I'm doing this the correct way. What kind of cycle and pct did you run?

 

[darkshadowlander]

Actually ran the exact one you posted orignally. I was shut down for 20 weeks and was running 1gram test and 800mg deca each week doesnt help. Im sure you can get away with out the HCG for the cycle your going to run. But honestly if the extra pinning doesnt bother you then its great to use. I ran all my cycles/pcts with no hcg for years, but this last one was the one that was tough to bounce back from. Im actually running HCG, HMG and Clomid in a combo to boost my sperm count due to my recent test showing a whoping 2 swimmers. If you dont plan on kids in the future and the small testicle size doesnt bother you then dont bother with the hcg. At some point I will be done trying for kids and will stop HCG and blast and cruise.

 

[BGOTTIR]

8 weeks of test only and all of that nolva and clomid... not necessary at all imo. Toward the very end of your cycle you might have some shrinkage, but probably not too severe. Plus the short prop ester will be out of your system fast too, so you don't need to worry about waiting to start your PCT.

Interesting ester choice for your first cycle...

 

[Hammer925]

Actually ran the exact one you posted orignally. I was shut down for 20 weeks and was running 1gram test and 800mg deca each week doesnt help. Im sure you can get away with out the HCG for the cycle your going to run. But honestly if the extra pinning doesnt bother you then its great to use. I ran all my cycles/pcts with no hcg for years, but this last one was the one that was tough to bounce back from. Im actually running HCG, HMG and Clomid in a combo to boost my sperm count due to my recent test showing a whoping 2 swimmers. If you dont plan on kids in the future and the small testicle size doesnt bother you then dont bother with the hcg. At some point I will be done trying for kids and will stop HCG and blast and cruise.

Yeah man, I'm thinking no HCG for this fist time around. No kids anytime soon man lol, and the pinning wont bother me. I've actually switched it up and instead am running 100mg EOD for 12 weeks. Still debating on an AI though. Also thinking about adding some winny at the end too

 

[Hammer925]

8 weeks of test only and all of that nolva and clomid... not necessary at all imo. Toward the very end of your cycle you might have some shrinkage, but probably not too severe. Plus the short prop ester will be out of your system fast too, so you don't need to worry about waiting to start your PCT.

Interesting ester choice for your first cycle...

Exactly what I was thinking as far as the short acting ester leaving my system. I have heard of a lot of people going with Test E, but ithe main reason I decided against it is because it takes too long for me to kick in. My impatient ass wants to feel it asap.

 

[Ironman2001]

Have an ai on hand just in case you need it. If your going to take it to the next level assume the responsibility that comes with it and have everything on hand you might need. Better safe than sorry bro.

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[Hammer925]

Have an ai on hand just in case you need it. If your going to take it to the next level assume the responsibility that comes with it and have everything on hand you might need. Better safe than sorry bro.

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True, definitely going to go with adex

 

[s2h]

Yeah man, I'm thinking no HCG for this fist time around. No kids anytime soon man lol, and the pinning wont bother me. I've actually switched it up and instead am running 100mg EOD for 12 weeks. Still debating on an AI though. Also thinking about adding some winny at the end too

just a thought..200mg test prop eod for a short run like 5-6 weeks is pretty nice..i find in general most yield better results with the higher dose and a shorter run..kinda get in and get out..have found this cycle to better keep gains with proper protocol..

some winstrol tabs in a low dose ed or eod with this will help free up more test on the cycle by binding to the SHBG..a welcome and helpful addition the winstrol would be..

 

[Hammer925]

just a thought..200mg test prop eod for a short run like 5-6 weeks is pretty nice..i find in general most yield better results with the higher dose and a shorter run..kinda get in and get out..have found this cycle to better keep gains with proper protocol..

some winstrol tabs in a low dose ed or eod with this will help free up more test on the cycle by binding to the SHBG..a welcome and helpful addition the winstrol would be..

Hmm that is something to think about. With a longer cycle I feel like I would be able to retain more gains then on a shorter cycle because my body might be able to keep the new muscle easier with a longer cycle. Have you ran a short cycle like the 5-6 week one?