Help me shape my next bulking cycle

[shearerr]

I have currently a lot of test propionate, test enanthate, anavar, turinabol, exemestane, clomid, boldenone, hcg and I'm undecided what to use for my incoming bulking cycle. My overall goal is to gain 20-25 pounds of lean meat I would like to know your opinion what I should run. There is an option to add some other specifics so feel free to add something new from out of the list, except tren which is not an option.

 

[Goodskie]

Test e, eq, high dose 20 weeks.

Tbol first and last 6 weeks

 

[dieseljimmy]

Test e, eq, high dose 20 weeks.

Tbol first and last 6 weeks

^^^
Tbol and prop first and last 6 weeks.aggressive wish list.

 

[Standard Donkey]

I have currently a lot of test propionate, test enanthate, anavar, turinabol, exemestane, clomid, boldenone, hcg and I'm undecided what to use for my incoming bulking cycle. My overall goal is to gain 20-25 pounds of lean meat I would like to know your opinion what I should run. There is an option to add some other specifics so feel free to add something new from out of the list, except tren which is not an option.

good.

fucking.

luck.

 

[Nok]

good.

fucking.

luck.

Put the coffee down brah

:tea:

 

[overburdened]

You posted this up with no stats.. no cycle history, etc, etc...
We can't help you much without some background info...

age
number of cycle under belt
weight
LBM
bf%(this falls in line with lbm_
how long you been lifting
past cycle(s)(what have you taken, what kind of results did you get?)
any additional info you can think of.. the more stats, info we have, the better we can help you bro!

 

[Paranoid Fitness]

Diet?

 

[Night_Wolf]

1-24 Test E 200-250mg
1-22 Deca 800-900mg
1-8 Dbol 50mg
13-21 Dbol 50mg
1-4 Test P 100mg EOD
5-8 Humulin-R 15iu 3x daily
13-16 Humulin-R 15iu 3x daily
T3 50mcg (optional)
Aromasin 12.5-25mg ED


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[newguy35]

That's a pretty unrealistic goal, especially with those compounds, even if you're fairly new to this. 15 lbs of bodyweight with only a mild increase in bf would be a great success. 10 lbs keeping your bf the same or recomping a bit would be even better.

With that said, assuming your average sized and this is one of your first few go's (I will since you're asking this question) this is what I'd do:

Pick a EQ dose to run the whole time, somewhere between 400-600mg/wk, stick with it.
start the test e out at 400-500mg/wk
every 4-5 weeks, evaluate your progress, if your still making gains, keep doing what you're doing, if you're stalling out, make sure your diet is where it needs to be (increase cals slightly probably), change up training, and maybe bump the test dose or add another compound....so for example

wk 1-20 400mg EQ
wk 1-10 400mg test e
wk 11-20 600mg test e
wk 6-10 30mg tbol ed
wk 16-20 60mg var ed
wk 1-20 25mg exemestane ed

good luck

 

[celticthug]

What ever you run(and i think you should have decca in the mix 100%).Its not realistic to gain 20-25 lbs of lean muscle.You could do damn near everything right.Training.deit,workingout...etc..etc.. And still fall well short of that goal.With no fault to the gear.Fat and water weight really dont count.Go look at 25lbs of roast at the grocery store.I'm geussing you fairly new to aas.Otherwise you would be more realistic.And if you have been running cycles,and gain 15-20lbs of lean muscle? I run outside and check the mailbox for your MR.O invite.
Test e 1-12
Test p 1-4(works better than front loading for me)
Decca 1-12
EQ 1-12
T-bol 1-4/6
You could push to 16 weeks.But id only do that if you run a few cycles before and havnt had a hard time getting test back.

 

[shearerr]

age 25
5 feet 10
180 pounds, ectomorph
body fat around 10% ( measured with skin caliper)
Two years of lifting
Previous three cycles were rather light based mostly on testosterone 500mg a week and once mixed with Tbol 50mg a week for 7 weeks. I haven't noticed any predispositions to gyno even when I ran test without ai for the first two months during my first cycle.

My diet is made of 6 meals a day each consist of 50% of carbs, 25-27% of fats and 23-25% of proteins. I train four times a week with Monday chest, Wednesday back , Friday hands, Sunday legs

 

[Goodskie]

Negged for WORKING OUT HANDS WTF

 

[Nok]

Lol i'm on a test cycle right now. I work out my hands atleast 16 - 17 times per week lol

 

[shearerr]

Lol i'm on a test cycle right now. I work out my hands atleast 16 - 17 times per week lol

Good for you, jerked already?

on Monday: Chest and shoulders, Wednesday: back, Friday: arms, Sunday: legs

 

[Standard Donkey]

age 25
5 feet 10
180 pounds, ectomorph
body fat around 10% ( measured with skin caliper)
Two years of lifting
Previous three cycles were rather light based mostly on testosterone 500mg a week and once mixed with Tbol 50mg a week for 7 weeks. I haven't noticed any predispositions to gyno even when I ran test without ai for the first two months during my first cycle.

My diet is made of 6 meals a day each consist of 50% of carbs, 25-27% of fats and 23-25% of proteins. I train four times a week with Monday chest, Wednesday back , Friday hands, Sunday legs

10% with skin caliper.. so you are probably around 12-14%.. which at 5'10 and 180 pounds would make you more of an endomorph (if you subscribe to somatypes philosophy) in which case you should probably limit your carbs so you dont turn into a fat fuck

 

[newguy35]

SD is right...calipers are usually pretty inaccurate. How you look is a much better gauge and more important anyway. At 10% you should have some pretty defined abs, chest, etc...

That being said, even if you are above that, being that it's early on for you, you can recomp if you eat right and train hard. What's with the macro ratios?? How many grams of each do you eat a day? Those ratios might be appropriate for a high carb day if you're carb cycling, but not for everyday, and certainly not for off days. You need to eat clean and keep carbs periworkout to recomp well. Tren helps too...speaking of, why no tren? I can respect you saving it for later on, but it you sounded open to whatever except that. Which doesn't make any sense.<br>

 

[Glycomann]

1-12 Test E
1-12 Eq
6-12 T-bol 50 mg/d
exemastane as needed 25 mg/d

Dose depends on how much you need and past experience. Typically test = 500-750 mg/w. Eq = 400-600 mg/w.

 

[shearerr]

SD is right...calipers are usually pretty inaccurate. How you look is a much better gauge and more important anyway. At 10% you should have some pretty defined abs, chest, etc...

That being said, even if you are above that, being that it's early on for you, you can recomp if you eat right and train hard. What's with the macro ratios?? How many grams of each do you eat a day? Those ratios might be appropriate for a high carb day if you're carb cycling, but not for everyday, and certainly not for off days. You need to eat clean and keep carbs periworkout to recomp well. Tren helps too...speaking of, why no tren? I can respect you saving it for later on, but it you sounded open to whatever except that. Which doesn't make any sense.<br>

My current diet macros for bulking.
Currently I consume 4500-4600 calories a day on training days and 4100 calories on off days,moreover, fats are mostly coming from plants and Carbohydrates are divided evenly in all meals.

Working days: 131 grams of fats, 560 grams of carbs, 285 grams of protein
off days: 118 grams of fat, 513 grams of carbs, 257 grams of protein

Although this diet is working well when I don't cycle, I'm open for suggestions for my cycle macros.
I have heard and read that tren influences significantly moods. I lead stressful life lately and because of it my temper is hard to control sometimes, so I rather stay away from tren, just for now at least.

 

[newguy35]

My current diet macros for bulking.
Currently I consume 4500-4600 calories a day on training days and 4100 calories on off days,moreover, fats are mostly coming from plants and Carbohydrates are divided evenly in all meals.

Working days: 131 grams of fats, 560 grams of carbs, 285 grams of protein
off days: 118 grams of fat, 513 grams of carbs, 257 grams of protein

Although this diet is working well when I don't cycle, I'm open for suggestions for my cycle macros.
I have heard and read that tren influences significantly moods. I lead stressful life lately and because of it my temper is hard to control sometimes, so I rather stay away from tren, just for now at least.

That's a lot of food...you must have a wicked high metabolism or like SD guessed, be a bit softer than 10% Or estimating your macro's wrong. I dunno. Ecto's do handle lots of carbs better than the rest of us I hear. I just can't buy you truly eating that much clean food for an extended period of time and being 180, no offense. Got any pics?

Protein looks good. If you can really handle that many carbs on workout days without getting fat...more power to you I guess, but I'd keep the fat lower on the high carb days, maybe 50-60 grams, just a little more than what your naturally gonna get from eating that much food. On off days I'd keep the carbs much much lower. I keep them at less than 100 grams personally, if you're metabolism is really that high it probably wouldn't work for you, but maybe 200-250. If you truly need to keep the calories up, up the fat and protein on the off days.

Do you measure and weigh all your food?

 

[supaman23]

Something is wrong with this picture... I am an ecto too, almost the same measurements as you. I'm 5'11 and 180-185lbs, pretty lean everywhere except in my abs area. Got very defined arms/shoulders/legs etc... I am maintaining my BW and trying to recomp on 2-3 meals a day, getting around 2-2.5k cal a day. I was very skinny before cycling AND would not be able to handle 4.5k cal without gaining fat. My BF% was climbing off 3.5k cal a day. I'm on 2.5k cal now and I'm not able to drop weight easily. So I really doubt that you weight lift, eat 4.6k cal a day and still manage to be 10% BF, unless you do ridiculous amounts of cardio, like 2-3 hours per day lol.

 

[Nok]

Something is wrong with this picture... I am an ecto too, almost the same measurements as you. I'm 5'11 and 180-185lbs, pretty lean everywhere except in my abs area. Got very defined arms/shoulders/legs etc... I am maintaining my BW and trying to recomp on 2-3 meals a day, getting around 2-2.5k cal a day. I was very skinny before cycling AND would not be able to handle 4.5k cal without gaining fat. My BF% was climbing off 3.5k cal a day. I'm on 2.5k cal now and I'm not able to drop weight easily. So I really doubt that you weight lift, eat 4.6k cal a day and still manage to be 10% BF, unless you do ridiculous amounts of cardio, like 2-3 hours per day lol.

Everyone is different bro.

 

[Standard Donkey]

Everyone is different bro.

but i think it's safe to say that most newbs drastically overestimate how much they eat..

 

[shearerr]

I use this diet since July and I have gained 10-11 pounds and I'm not saying that this was lean bulk. If anyone is interested I had used before 40/40/20 diet. Everything is monitored through FitDay software and each meal's ingredient is weighted, so there is no place for any mistake. I constantly monitor my weight and adjust calories every 3-4 weeks. I also do cardio on training days 25 minutes and off days 50 minutes plus I take AI to keep estrogen low to minimize fat gains.

That's a lot of food...you must have a wicked high metabolism or like SD guessed, be a bit softer than 10% Or estimating your macro's wrong. I dunno. Ecto's do handle lots of carbs better than the rest of us I hear. I just can't buy you truly eating that much clean food for an extended period of time and being 180, no offense. Got any pics?

Protein looks good. If you can really handle that many carbs on workout days without getting fat...more power to you I guess, but I'd keep the fat lower on the high carb days, maybe 50-60 grams, just a little more than what your naturally gonna get from eating that much food. On off days I'd keep the carbs much much lower. I keep them at less than 100 grams personally, if you're metabolism is really that high it probably wouldn't work for you, but maybe 200-250. If you truly need to keep the calories up, up the fat and protein on the off days.

Do you measure and weigh all your food?

what about fat on off days should I lower it a little?

 

[supaman23]

but i think it's safe to say that most newbs drastically overestimate how much they eat..

True. Especially when people use numbers like 4100 and 4600.. are you that accurate with your calories and weigh EVERYHTING COOKED to be able to give exact measurements all the way down to the 100cal? hmmm

Not hating, just wondering why would you go through all that trouble, in case you do measure everything, unless you compete and you're in prep mode.

 

[newguy35]

I use this diet since July and I have gained 10-11 pounds and I'm not saying that this was lean bulk. If anyone is interested I had used before 40/40/20 diet. Everything is monitored through FitDay software and each meal's ingredient is weighted, so there is no place for any mistake. I constantly monitor my weight and adjust calories every 3-4 weeks. I also do cardio on training days 25 minutes and off days 50 minutes plus I take AI to keep estrogen low to minimize fat gains.



what about fat on off days should I lower it a little?

no not if you're happy with the way your progressing. Low days are when your fat should be the highest.

That makes sense if you've gained that sort of weight since July...good for you! Keep up the hard work

 

[Standard Donkey]

True. Especially when people use numbers like 4100 and 4600.. are you that accurate with your calories and weigh EVERYHTING COOKED to be able to give exact measurements all the way down to the 100cal? hmmm

Not hating, just wondering why would you go through all that trouble, in case you do measure everything, unless you compete and you're in prep mode.

to keep from turning into a complete fatass i suppose.. i didnt measure my food in the past and i got fat. now i measure everything

 

[supaman23]

to keep from turning into a complete fatass i suppose.. i didnt measure my food in the past and i got fat. now i measure everything

I guess I like to keep it simple. It's easy for me to do since I eat 2-3 meals a day, so it's easy to keep track of calories. But if I'm worried about getting fat, I only keep an eye on my carb intake, no need for me to measure everything.

But then again I am doing a semi-serious keto diet, so not much carbs to worry about anyway. My carbs only come from vegetables, a bit of fruit occasionally and a slice of bread now and then. No rice, no potatos, no pasta, no bread, no oatmeal, NOTHING! lol

I do however have a couple of cheat meals during the weekend to satisfy my appetite and carb up. It's working great for me so far.