M1T + 4DERM stack, Nolva PCT: dosage review

[mrbuttchee]

Anyone got suggestions on how much Nolva. should be taken PCT after the following m1t+4aderm stack? Also, should m1t be tappered off towards the end of cycle or kept the same/increased (as long as pct is immediately thereafter, of course)?

This was my cycle so far and I don't know how to finish the cycle or how to make the dosages of nolva:

day 1-2 5mg m1t
day 3-8 10mg m1t, approx 400-500mg 4derm
day 9-15 (today is day 15) 15mg m1t, 400-500mg
day 16-22 ??mg m1t , ??mg 4derm (I pretty much assume to keep the 4derm at the same dosage, my main concerns are the m1t and nolva for pct)

I want to keep the cycle short for the obvious unseen health concerns that come with all PH and PS... but I think I am getting some more bottles for the future (and may want to extend the cycle to 4 weeks when I see the new ones... teehee)

Any suggestions for dosages?

Thanks!


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[Twin Peak]

Do not tapper off.

40-60 mg of Nolva for 2-3 weeks should be plenty, but it depends on the sides you are seeing, if any.

 

[Purdue Power]

Don't go over 10mg/day of the M1T. You won't get any better gains and it will just shut you down harder. With the Nolva, I did a 50/40/30/20 taper,stepping it down 10mgs each week. I would seriously suggest getting some HCG to take during your cycle too. Here is my thread that I started for my M1T cycle. It should answer any questions that you may and will have. http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=36004

 

[Tha Don]

i'd go with 60/40/20/20 on the nolva

as for the m1t dose if you are already at 15mg might as well keep it there... no point going any higher than you need to, m1t should not be tapered down, if anything it should be tapered up as you have done

i don't think HCG is really necessary, as long as you stay at a low dose and don't run over 4 weeks with a proper nolva pct you should be okay

peace

 

[redspy]

You won't need HCG for a three week cycle. HCG comes into play when using longer cycles, e.g. 12 weeks. Also keep in mind that HCG is scheduled in some states.

 

[ZECH]

I also think three weeks is plenty on the M1T seeing what it does to HDL and blood lipids.

 

[mrbuttchee]

Thanks for the info guys... very helpful.

What is HCG? I've read the debates about it in your replies and know not for what it stands. I have nolva and milk thistle on hand for recovery and I have experienced some shrinkage as expected but no gyno. The lethargy was unbareable until I started using 4derm - I think that stuff has helped immensley. I just wanted to sleep all day beforehand.

And since I have upp'd M1t to 15mg/day the gains have just gotten better (and I have been eating like there is no tomorrow; my gut is gettin bigger again too unfortunately)

I was considering either upping it to 20mg for the last 7-10 days or extending the cycle to 4 weeks and keeping it at 15mg.

I think that I also read on here somewhere (but maybe not??) that it's a good idea to keep the 4derm goin for about 2 weeks after m1t and start PCT while still on the 4derm (6 weeks for 4derm for a 4 week m1t cycle, start nolva immediately following M1t and "stack" with 4derm; somewhat of an equivocal use of the word "stack" here for this situation but you get it).

Additional thoughts and comments?


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[Tha Don]

i'd say as soon as you stop the m1t get on your pct and begin your recovery, i'd have thought staying on the 4derm is pretty pointless and there is no point running both nolva and 4derm together, ain't gonna do much for ya you'll still be real shut down from the m1t! you want to get on your PCT immediately after the m1t or else your gonna increase the risk of being shut down for a very long time and 4derm and nolva is not PCT

 

[mrbuttchee]

All right then, thanks again.

Man is that really you in that picture next to your name??!!

BTW, how do you get those quotes or sayings to come up everytime you post a message underneath that line bordering from above the statement(s)? (I'm assuming none of you retype it every single time you post with your thousands of posts..)