natural testosterone boosters

[nni]

once again, to say a blanket statement like "test boosters are worthless" is just wrong. some test boosters do work, studies and hormone panel tests prove this. for those not willing to use exogenous hormones, then they are far from worthless. even those who use steroids often* (often, not always) use a test booster in pct. they are not worthless, people just expect too much from them, gains will never equal those of steroids. on top of that the market is flooded with so much crap that it becomes difficult to find the ones that do work before giving up completely.

 

[XYZ]

once again, to say a blanket statement like "test boosters are worthless" is just wrong. some test boosters do work, studies and hormone panel tests prove this. for those not willing to use exogenous hormones, then they are far from worthless. even those who use steroids often* (often, not always) use a test booster in pct. they are not worthless, people just expect too much from them, gains will never equal those of steroids. on top of that the market is flooded with so much crap that it becomes difficult to find the ones that do work before giving up completely.

Are you saying that clomid and hcg are test boosters here?

 

[nni]

Are you saying that clomid and hcg are test boosters here?

no, im saying exactly what i wrote. test boosters = otc supplements.

 

[XYZ]

no, im saying exactly what i wrote. test boosters = otc supplements.

I guess the way I read it was a little different. You stated that people who use steroids use a test booster in PCT, often, not always. To me at that point an OTC product would be useless. HCG and clomid which are prescribed medications for male fertility is what most people use because they work better than any otc booster. Not trying to start a fight or anything I guess the way it's written it could be misleading to a degree.

I suppose that they may work for some (maybe a placebo effect) but overall I don't see how they can significantly increase levels to where they would be sufficent to gain more, just my opinion.

 

[nni]

2 weeks in is when they are usually employed, from what i have seen. your serm gets the ball rolling the test booster aids it.

the second part is the issue, if you are not going to take steroids, then this is as good as it gets. also, what levels are levels high enough to expect gains. i recently tested a product solely to see the impact on hormone levels, and it shot my test above normal levels, one would assume some gains should be noticed, not significant, but above what could be expected from diet and training alone. (again i tested it simply for hormonal purposes, it was during recovery from an injury). so if steroids are not an option, then that is as close as you are going to get. if steroids are an option, then i could understand the view that they are worthless.

 

[XYZ]

HCG and clomid alone will work, thus my reasoning for them being useless during PCT.

Did you have baseline bloodwork done to compare the two? That would be interesting to see if you had it done.

Everyone is different and will react differntly to certain otc supplements, so to answer your question as to what levels are levels high enough to expect gains? I would say anything significantly higher than 1200 ng/dl, maybe 1500+?

 

[nni]

yup, before and after, did saliva though as it was much simpler. 300% increase in test levels, 40% decrease in estrodiol.

 

[XYZ]

yup, before and after, did saliva though as it was much simpler. 300% increase in test levels, 40% decrease in estrodiol.

Wow! I guess you really would never need AAS with those results.

 

[independent]

yup, before and after, did saliva though as it was much simpler. 300% increase in test levels, 40% decrease in estrodiol.

The percentages tell us nothing. What were your actual numbers.

 

[nni]

Wow! I guess you really would never need AAS with those results.

doubtful.

The percentages tell us nothing. What were your actual numbers.

ok.

first the ranges interpretation from using saliva as a source.

Testosterone:
<35 mg/dl: Deficient
35-75 mg/dl: Borderline
75-120 mg/dl: Optimal
>120 mg/dl: Excessive

Estradiol:
<0.8 mg/dl: Defiecient
0.8-1.5 mg/dl: Optimal
>1.5 mg/dl: Excessive

my before and after numbers:

Estradiol (B) 1.7 (A) 1.0
Testosterone (B) 64.3 (A) 193.4

now medically, my numbers before were fine, a doctor had no problem with my test being on the low side because it falls in the normal range, obviously i prefer the after though.

please keep in mind i am not comparing steroids to test boosters, it is simply a comparison that cant be made, i just take umbrage with the blanket statement that test boosters are useless. thats not true, as a male i am more than happy with these results, where i can agree there is a legit argument is that test boosters are worthless with respect to gains. i dont agree with it as a proper test booster might aid in a couple of extra pounds, but when steroids are readily available i can see why people think test boosters are worthless. for someone for whom that isnt an option, then i think a proper test booster is not worthless at all. im also not trying to be a dick or bad guy, just having a discussion.

 

[lknmuscle]

I tried Testofen with OK results, but not what I was looking for. Applied Nutriceuticals came out with a new product called Free Test that might be good - I ordered some this week (along with HGH up) and will post results later this month.

 

[Perdido]

yup, before and after, did saliva though as it was much simpler. 300% increase in test levels, 40% decrease in estrodiol.

My results were similar. I went from below the bottom end of normal to mid normal range. I went from feeling like crap after finishing up PCT to feeling pretty dam good for not being on anything but a few inexpensive OTC supplements.

I agree that no one is saying OTC test boosters can compare to being on an AAS cycle or are any good for a young guy with high natural levels.

 

[getbigmuscles]

i heard boosters are bad worse then steriods

 

[Perdido]

i heard boosters are bad worse then steriods

You're confusing test boosters with prohormones.

 

[lknmuscle]

Free Test and HGH up stack works for me - I've just started taking it and so far it's made a big difference. We'll see if the gains continue. I'll post a follow-up in a few weeks.

 

[getbigmuscles]

Really whats prehormones ???

 

[independent]

I tried Testofen with OK results, but not what I was looking for. Applied Nutriceuticals came out with a new product called Free Test that might be good - I ordered some this week (along with HGH up) and will post results later this month.

Free Test and HGH up stack works for me - I've just started taking it and so far it's made a big difference. We'll see if the gains continue. I'll post a follow-up in a few weeks.

First you say you ordered some and will post results, now you say it works great. Make up your mind.

 

[nni]

Really whats prehormones ???

PROhormones, not PREhormones. prehormones might be what a hormone was before it became a hormone...

a prohormone is in the steroid family, but unlike a steroid that is an active hormone being introduced to your system, a prohormone need to be converted into that active hormone by your body.

 

[Guidedbyscience]

NO. You will see more gains with more soild food though. As others have posted test boosters are a waste. At 19 if the wind blew just right I had a boner, I didn't need anything for that to happen.

I agree at 19 he should be able to jack up a truck,however some test boosters are def not a waste.