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Ontario bans Pitbulls

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The Province on Ontario plans on banning pitbulls.:(

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1097835451453_93244651?hub=topstories

My province tried to do the samething and it didn't work. If the law passed in my province, current owners would have to by law hand over their dogs. Honestly, there wouldn't be enough RCMP and animal control around here to take my dogs from me. Other owners of Staffies/pitbulls including myself would die fighting before they gave up their dogs to be destroyed.

Breed specific laws are a joke. All dogs regardless of breed that are aggressive should be destroyed.
 
Is the ban inclusive of Ann Coulter? :D
 
Great, I've been looking for some different shooting targets. :)
 
Unfortunately, as is with the real Ann Coulter, it is able to open it's yap.
 
madden player said:
The Province on Ontario plans on banning pitbulls.:(

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1097835451453_93244651?hub=topstories

My province tried to do the samething and it didn't work. If the law passed in my province, current owners would have to by law hand over their dogs. Honestly, there wouldn't be enough RCMP and animal control around here to take my dogs from me. Other owners of Staffies/pitbulls including myself would die fighting before they gave up their dogs to be destroyed.
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The law in Ontario does not require current owners to hand over their dogs. Current owners must muzzle their dogs in public (in addition to other criteria). The law does prohibit the import of NEW dogs.

I never heard of any proposed provincial law requiring the dogs to be taken away. :scratch:
 
BulkMeUp said:
I never heard of any proposed provincial law requiring the dogs to be taken away. :scratch:
I live in Nova Scotia..A few years ago they tried to ban all breeds in my province that have any Staffie in them. If that law passed owners would be required to destroy their dogs. Pitbull hysteria has since died down in my province and they seem to be focusing more on Rotties.

It has happened in other places..Laws are passed banning specific breeds and there is no grandfather clause, owners of the breed being banned have to give up their dog or face criminal charges. Atleast the Ontario government has some compassion.

A decade from now when they have problems with Dogo Argentio's & Presa Canario's ect...they will only have themselves to blame.
 
madden player said:
. Pitbull hysteria has since died down in my province and they seem to be focusing more on Rotties.
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Yeah, that is one of the concerns. With pitbulls 'out of the way', Rottweilers (sp?) now go to the top of the list. If the law is amended to get them 'out of the way', another breed will become the no.1 dangerous dog and so on. But something had to be done to 'muzzle' the problem of people (like the mail woman who lost an ear to a pitbull while delivering the mail) and children getting mauled by pitbulls.

My question is how long before chiuhawawas (sp?) get to the top of the list? :laugh:
 
BulkMeUp said:
My question is how long before chiuhawawas (sp?) get to the top of the list? :laugh:
Honestly, there is a breeder/dog trainer that breeds attack Chihuahua's. He compares a group of his trained dogs to a school of Piranha. Any breed can be made visious and like you said once one breed is gone they will move on to another.
 
madden player said:
Honestly, there is a breeder/dog trainer that breeds attack Chihuahua's. He compares a group of his trained dogs to a school of Piranha. Any breed can be made visious .
:eek: *wow* thats a scary thought.
 
madden player said:
Honestly, there is a breeder/dog trainer that breeds attack Chihuahua's. He compares a group of his trained dogs to a school of Piranha. Any breed can be made visious and like you said once one breed is gone they will move on to another.
I just heard a news item where they clearly said that owners are responsible for their dogs. And owners CAN go to jail. This applies to ALL types of dogs.
 
ALBOB said:
When are they gonna come out with the life-size blow up version? :dance:
horn dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
 
du510 said:
Wow, a liberal with a gun! :thumb:
Indeed. It's kind of ironic that my Glock G35 shoots to the left...;)
 
i raised a pitbull when i was 17, to bad he got to close to the corn chopper, he was a great dog......... on that note, he played with younger kids like he was still a puppy.
ITS THE F"ING OWNERS WHO MAKE A GOOD DOG BAD. ITS HOW THEY ARE TRAINED.
I trained dogs several yrs for hunting purposes, i took 3 dogs back because the owners had, 1 beaten one of the dogs, and the other 2 couldnt take care of them at all. it was in the signed contract, that if abused in any way, the dogs would be returned to me, with out a refund!!!!!Again, its the owners to blame!!
 
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ALBOB said:
When are they gonna come out with the life-size blow up version? :dance:
Still with her mouth open, but it can easily get stuffed.
 
Tank316 said:
Again, its the owners to blame!!
Yep, the macho guy's who think it's cool to have an attack dog with the huge chains around it's neck, that hang old tires from trees and have the dogs attack them to build stonger jaws, throwing stray animals in their kennels after starving them, etc.
 
maniclion said:
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Still with her mouth open, but it can easily get stuffed.

GODDAMN dude, give a guy some warning!!! Now I've gotta clean off my monitor, and my keyboard's probably trashed.

That is one SEXY bitch! :lick:
 
Pepper said:
Ann Coulter is HOT...even you'd have to admit that wouldn't you?
To be absolutely honest I think she's repulsive. When I see her on TV I just want to ask her if she was sexually abused by a liberal figure in her life. She is bitter and psychotic.

If a woman is republican and hot I'll be the first to admit it.
 
Tank316 said:
i raised a pitbull when i was 17, to bad he got to close to the corn chopper, he was a great dog......... on that note, he played with younger kids like he was still a puppy.
ITS THE F"ING OWNERS WHO MAKE A GOOD DOG BAD. ITS HOW THEY ARE TRAINED.
I trained dogs several yrs for hunting purposes, i took 3 dogs back because the owners had, 1 beaten one of the dogs, and the other 2 couldnt take care of them at all. it was in the signed contract, that if abused in any way, the dogs would be returned to me, with out a refund!!!!!Again, its the owners to blame!!
Pitbulls were known as a 'nurse maid' breed; by nature they should love children. Just like the pit you had, my pitbulls become totally different dogs when kids are around. It is amazing to see how pitbulls respond to kids.
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/photo.html

Like you said bad owners make for bad dogs. Just like teaching a dog to sit, you can teach him to bite or not bite. It is hard for people to understand this.

I like the way you do business, that is a common contract that good breeders use. My wife's family likes to hunt and they all have rabbit hounds, they are such clowns (the hounds not my in-laws).
 
ITS THE F"ING OWNERS WHO MAKE A GOOD DOG BAD. ITS HOW THEY ARE TRAINED.


This statement is only partialy true. Ive lived in "that life" for many many years and have had many, many dogs, so please hear me out, all of you. And please bear in mind that Im not trying to make any case for or against Pit fighting. Im not trying to make anyone like or not like it or even agree with me. Im just trying to shed some light on some facts about this breed.

True fighting PitBulls DO NOT get "trained". Real fighting PitBulls are bred for a certain instinct called Gameness. Gameness is the spirit, or heart, in the dog that makes him alomst impervious to fear and probably even pain, judging from the wagging tails of the dogs Ive witnessed in the ring. Anyone who is part of that closed knit group of people that "trains" a dog is considred a joke.


Now on the other hand, the true part of that statement is that yes.....some morons DO try and train their Pits to be tough. These are the wannabes who get their dogs from the paper or from a breeder. True Pit people know that a real Pit owner never sells his dogs to the public. You cant get a real Pit out of the paper n matter what anyone says. Im NOT saying that you cant get a good dog out of the paper, Im saying that you're not going to get "the real thing". Nothing more, nothing less.

But anyways....yes. There are some who try and train them and its these dogs that are the ticking time bombs because they have not been bred properly, IE fighting. Yes....fighting. Like it or not, agree with it or not, these dogs have been bred for this purpose since before the Roman Empire. Not for looks, not for aggression, but for fighting spirit. To think that someone can breed out an instinct that has taken centuries to sit in is ridiculous. What ends up happening if you breed a non proven game Pit to another non proven dog is that you get a dog that still has fighting instincts, but maybe not gameness. That dog can and will attack a human.

But not a real proven bred fighting dog. See, the thing is is that TRUE fighting Pits are bred TO NOT HAVE AN AGRESSIVE INSTINCT.


Why? Aggression does NOTHING - NOTHING - in the ring. Agression means absolutely nothing in a fighting dog when its the heart, or spirit, of the dog - GAMENESS - that is what's so highly saught after. Gameness means that the dog WILL NOT QUIT under any circumstances. Aggression has no part in spirit. Aggression will not see that dog across the scratch line when he's losing. Gameness will. Any dog breeder that breeds for aggression is not allowed in this highly exclusive ring of people. Those breeders are jokes, like I said. Agression does not win fights. Gameness wins fights.

And on further note......there are 3 humans in the ring when the dogs fight. The purpose is to separate the dogs when they let each other go so that they can be taken to their respective corners and allowed to see if they want to continue. THERE ARE NO CATTLE PRODS to make the dogs continue. If one dog refuses, then its over. Plain and simple. Its called "curring out". If either dog is aggressive or has a tendancy to bite humans, that dogs is a danger to the humans in the ring when they are separated. I dont see how ANYONE can not see the relevancy there.

Second note. Before each fight, the dogs are washed and bathed by the opposing party. We wont go into why thats done cause I dont want this to be a "How to fight dogs Guide", but it goes to show that an aggressive dog would not allow anyone but his master to touch him. All Pits that show man biting tendancies are put down. Period.


To this extent, I will once again repeat what Ive said before. True fighting Pits are non aggressive. Sometimes they literaly have to be shielded for fear of being stolen. Ive seen many pictures of Grand Champions sleeping with the owners children.


Yep, the macho guy's who think it's cool to have an attack dog with the huge chains around it's neck, that hang old tires from trees and have the dogs attack them to build stonger jaws, throwing stray animals in their kennels after starving them, etc.
Exactly. While Ive never SEEN this in real life, I have no doubt that some wannabes do this. This is not done with a real Pit. I never did it, nor did any of the hundreds of people I met in that life do it. Like I said before, its gameness that is saught after. Making a dog vicious with these tactics isnt going to get you anywhere near a true ring of people. But yeah....it might make you look tough to the uneducated and ignorant. Or the people that believe everything in the news.


Pitbulls were known as a 'nurse maid' breed; by nature they should love children. Just like the pit you had, my pitbulls become totally different dogs when kids are around. It is amazing to see how pitbulls respond to kids.

Again I agree. Ive met several Grand Champions that were so gentle, their owners had to keep them inside the house. In case anyone is interested - not that anyone WOULD be but its FYI - a Grand Champion is a rare thing. A dog must win 5 fights to aquire that title. And no.....not 5 fights from neigborhood dogs, but from the very best in the world. Its not unusual to have fights between two separate states or even countries booked.



Let me just close with this. I willl touch again on something I said at the beginning. These dogs have been bred like this for centuries. But even amongst true fighters, there is a chance that a dog will come out aggressive. As I said, those are quickly put down. So for the common "animal loving" people to think that they can breed this fighting instinct out of these dogs and sell them in the newspapers is ridiculous. What happens is you have a dog that has buried fighting instincts, but not the heart of a true warrior. THIS IS THE DOG THAT ATTACKS HUMANS AND CHILDREN

When someone attempts to "breed the aggression" out of a Pit BEFORE seeing if the dog has true gameness, you have a much larger chance of getting a "cur", or coward dog, that still has fighting instincts. If you breed a dog that has no gameness.......you're asking for big trouble. And thats what happens with these dogs that are bought in the paper. These are the ticking time bombs. Its plain and simple: if you DONT want to fight your Pit, dont breed him or her because you absolutely, positively have NO idea what you have.

But the tough guy morons do this every day. Or they fight their dogs with dogs from the neighborhood for 15-30 minutes and say they are breedable. OR.....they breed them just because they have big heads or muscles. True fighting pits have no muscles. They dont even look like what most people think Pits look like. Mine never weighed more than 40 pounds and most looked like beagles with small heads. Go figure.


But after having said all that, there ARE some different types of Pits being bred nowadays for somethign other than fighiting. These dogs are HUGE. Over 100 pounds. They specialize in weight pulls, shutzhund, or security work. However, these dogs are sold only to select individuals because of the tendancy to abuse such power in a dog of this caliber. Here is a great example of this type of new Pit than Im talking about. Im myself am waiting on the right set of circumstances for getting one from them. http://mammothpitbulls.com/ As you can see, this is not a dog for the amatuer.



So dont anyone take offense, Im not trying to put anyone down. Just thought Id shed some light on what you all are talking about from someone who does know. You dont have to like Pit fighting - or me for that matter - to learn something from this friendly little rant of mine. All knowledge is usefull. :thumb:
 
Great post MVP..informative.

Once you own a pit you will never go back to any other breed. I know of the Pit's past as a fighter and fighting is still very popular in some parts of the world. They were selective bred just for fighting and for the love of humans. You mentioned that in your post, not many people know that as the breed was bred for fighting and dogs that showed aggression towards humans were quickly destroyed.

I picked the breed for their love of humans, we have three 60 lb lap dogs. They love anyone, any visitor to our home is quickly greeted with lots of love from all three.

Our dogs have lots of 'game' and this can be a problem. Every walk is an adventure. We constantly have to change direction to avoid other dogs, just because I try my hardest to avoid any situation where another dog may get hurt. We tried muzzles but a few times loose dogs actually tried to attack them and it wasn't fair for our dogs to be defenseless.

Our dogs need no training to fight. They came from a very large litter, all of the dogs from the litter show no aggression to humans, but one killed a german shepard and had to be destroyed.
 
Sad to hear that your dog killed a German Shepherd, MP. I really hate to hear that. I guess most people would think that since I dont think Pit fighting is cruel, that I must also like to see other dogs fight. This is most certainly not the case. In a fight between two true Pits, they are both doing it for the love of fighting. I personaly dont care if anyone agrees with that statement or not, I know what Im talking about. But there are some idiots who think that a fight between a Pit and another dog that doesnt love to fight is cool. These are morons who I think should be shot because in that instance you have one dog literaly fighting for his life against a dog that thinks he's having fun.

As sad as it is to say, that happened to me once. Some bikers lived around the corner and they had some Rottweilers. Every time I walked my dogs they asked me to see if they could handle a "real" dog. Of course I refused, but one day I found a huge Rott in my yard next to my 41 pounder who was on a logging chain. The Rott was dead. Head crushed in. How it got in my yard I have no idea but I literaly broke into tears.


Thanks for the compliment, I stand behind every word I said. Its the improperly bred dogs and the puppy mills that are to blame for this problem. Some people just think that they can dick around with nature and they have no idea what they're doing. They buy two dogs from the paper and since they have big heads and muscles, they decide to breed them. Thats not what a true Pit is about, as I mentioned. While its true that this breed can be more dangerous than any other, its the people's fault that makes them so dangerous, not theirs. I once heard a saying that said "a dog cant read its own papers". Which means that a dog doesnt know anything except instinct. If its a cur, its a cur and no amount of training will change that. If it is game, it is game, and there is absolutely no need to train it for what it already knows to do.


Blame the idiots who think they can breed a thousand years of instinct out of a breed with a few generations. Blame the idiot who wants a tough dog. But dont blame the dog.
 
Metal V Player said:
In a fight between two true Pits, they are both doing it for the love of fighting. I personaly dont care if anyone agrees with that statement or not, I know what Im talking about.
I agree totally. They love fighting, just like a hound loves to follows his nose.

Sorry to hear about the rottie, cruel bastard bikers would have did that. They thought they were going to watch a rottie kill a pit on chain..how sick is that??

The pit that killed the german shepard came from the same litter as ours but it wasn't one of our dogs. It was terrible all the same, two dogs dead because of it.
 
ALBOB said:
When are they gonna come out with the life-size blow up version? :dance:
It would self-inflate as it sucked all the damn air outta the room ... then you'd never get it to shut up or deflate :eek:
 
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