Planning ahead for the Tren Train

[jmorrison]

So looking forward in time to spring, I will be running a cutter so that I will be nice and sexified for summer. That said, I will be running Tren for the first time. Been doing some reading, and it seems that I want to go with Tren Ace just in case my head explodes, or some other nasty side effect.

I will only be running this as a 10-12 week cycle, the first 5-7 weeks or so will be with tren, the rest with Test or Test/winny, and I would like to run around 500mg of test along with the tren. So here are my questions:

I am currently 220lbs, so will 75mg EoD be sufficient for the Tren, or should I go to 100mg?

Test prop can get a little costly, is it ok to run this with a longer esther test like cyp or Enth? Is there anyway to start with prop and switch over to the longer esthers during the cycle?

Would Tbol be ok to use during this cycle, or would even it be too much water retention?

Winny. How neccessary is it? The whole water based thing sort of scares me due to the higher risk of infection. Is there a viable alternative?

 

[BillHicksFan]

Tren ace/test prop was my first cycle and I started out at 80mg EOD until it kicked in. After that I knew I could increase my dose and I soon increased it to 120mg EOD. I didn't experience any negative sides and to be honest I loved the feeling of tren.
I didn't see any impressive results until week 6 therefore I ran it for 8 weeks and became hard and vascular.
At your weight I would not start out at anything less than 100mg EOD, if you experience any intollerable sides you can always decrease the dose.

I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

 

[pyes]

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[XYZ]

So looking forward in time to spring, I will be running a cutter so that I will be nice and sexified for summer. That said, I will be running Tren for the first time. Been doing some reading, and it seems that I want to go with Tren Ace just in case my head explodes, or some other nasty side effect.

I will only be running this as a 10-12 week cycle, the first 5-7 weeks or so will be with tren, the rest with Test or Test/winny, and I would like to run around 500mg of test along with the tren. So here are my questions:

I am currently 220lbs, so will 75mg EoD be sufficient for the Tren, or should I go to 100mg?

Test prop can get a little costly, is it ok to run this with a longer esther test like cyp or Enth? Is there anyway to start with prop and switch over to the longer esthers during the cycle?

Would Tbol be ok to use during this cycle, or would even it be too much water retention?

Winny. How neccessary is it? The whole water based thing sort of scares me due to the higher risk of infection. Is there a viable alternative?

First, get your BF down to 10% if you're not there right now. It will make everything work MUCH better.

Yes you can run test E with tren ace. T bol sucks, skip it.

Here is what I would do:

1-10 - 500mg Test E
1-9 - 50mg tren ED - NOT EOD unstable blood levels and sides are worse.
7-9 - 50mg Winstrol
10 - 100mg Winstrol
1-11 - 500ius HCG EW
12-15 - 50mg clomid ED
1-15 12.5mg Aromasin ED
1-15 .20mg pramipexole

If your diet and cardio are spot on and you start at 10% you would end up shredded beyond your wildest dreams.

 

[jmorrison]

Thanks fellas. That is pretty much exactly what I needed.

As far as BF% I just cannot seem to dip below 11-12%. Really starting to piss me off. Diet and training have been on point for a long while, and I just seem to start eating into my muscle when I get below 12%. My long term goal is only 9-10% (I want a BF I can maintain and still live a comfortable lifestyle).

Thanks again guys, just the info I needed.

 

[theCaptn']

dude, tren will strip the BF right offa you . . If you talk to SuperMan's Daddy he'll tell you to pin tren Ace ED too .., fk all that pinnin .. bite the bullet and go enanthate, but go 200mg/wk.

Stanazol is a good dry kicker imo, but you dont need to pin it take the tabs. Im finding 40mg ED is plenty for a knigg.

Gears!

 

[martialartsman]

CT covered all but you could use the prop as a kickstart instead of dbol or what ever you had planned or even frontload the test e you had planned. JMO.

 

[theCaptn']

you could try the sus4Fifty blend . . pin E3D for two weeks then drop off to E5D

 

[MDR]

Do not run Tren E on a first run. Short ester first-see how your body reacts. Plenty of time to run the long esters later. You get used to the pinning pretty quickly.

 

[theCaptn']

Do not run Tren E on a first run. Short ester first-see how your body reacts. Plenty of time to run the long esters later. You get used to the pinning pretty quickly.

not disagreeing bro, but I think if you keep the dose low enough, running Tren E will be fine. 200-250mg week is like pinnin 35mgED . . thats fk all!

 

[martialartsman]

I looked into tren for a long time and when i made the order, or should i say the wife did i ended up with tren e, i ran it at 300mg week and then uped it to 500mg a week when i didnt have any proplems with it. I know i should have gone with ace but didnt have much of a choice. Im now planning my 3rd tren e cycle and im glad i have no sides to speak of. JMO.

 

[XYZ]

Thanks fellas. That is pretty much exactly what I needed.

As far as BF% I just cannot seem to dip below 11-12%. Really starting to piss me off. Diet and training have been on point for a long while, and I just seem to start eating into my muscle when I get below 12%. My long term goal is only 9-10% (I want a BF I can maintain and still live a comfortable lifestyle).

Thanks again guys, just the info I needed.

Are you doing HIIT? Are you CKD with carb refeeds?

9 times out of ten it's what you're not doing that is going to help you drop more BF.

 

[OneWheyOrAnother]

I am into my 4th week on Tren right now and feel amazing. I have stripped off about 10 pounds of body fat and put on about 6-7 pounds of lean muscle.

My blood pressure is still fine, but I kept my diet spot on with low sodium.
My cardio is actually UP, not down. Only issue I have had so far is gyno.
I ran 1mg EOD of Adex from the beginning, and recently upped it to 1mg ED.
So make sure you have some Caber or Prami on hand because so far the Adex hasn't helped me.

Make sure you have all your stuff before you start pinning. I am dosing 40mg ED of Tren Ace and feeling amazing. Still might up the dose, but I feel so great that I may just save the higher dose of Tren for my next cycle

 

[theCaptn']

I am into my 4th week on Tren right now and feel amazing. I have stripped off about 10 pounds of body fat and put on about 6-7 pounds of lean muscle.

My blood pressure is still fine, but I kept my diet spot on with low sodium.
My cardio is actually UP, not down. Only issue I have had so far is gyno.
I ran 1mg EOD of Adex from the beginning, and recently upped it to 1mg ED.
So make sure you have some Caber or Prami on hand because so far the Adex hasn't helped me.

Make sure you have all your stuff before you start pinning. I am dosing 40mg ED of Tren Ace and feeling amazing. Still might up the dose, but I feel so great that I may just save the higher dose of Tren for my next cycle

what's your weight now?

 

[OneWheyOrAnother]

what's your weight now?

203lbs. I started at 205lbs at around 11-12% BF, now I'm down to 7 or 8% and still making records every work out. First time I have ever done Tren

Eating VERY clean though. All 100% organic food, including the meat. Mostly food is locally grown/raised.

The goal of my cycle was to cut down a little more, and hopefully add some LBM as well. Nothing has ever done it for me like Tren

 

[jmorrison]

Are you doing HIIT? Are you CKD with carb refeeds?

9 times out of ten it's what you're not doing that is going to help you drop more BF.

I have been doing HIIT for a long time now, and love it, but I have only recently began carb cycling. I used a series of PSMF's to get down to where I am now, but now when I try one, I seem to start stripping muscle, so I am experimenting with cycling to try to drop a little more.

I have no doubt that you are 100% right. I harbor no illusions that my body is any different from anyone elses, and I know that I must be doing something wrong, just not quite sure what it is yet!

 

[OneWheyOrAnother]

I have been doing HIIT for a long time now, and love it, but I have only recently began carb cycling. I used a series of PSMF's to get down to where I am now, but now when I try one, I seem to start stripping muscle, so I am experimenting with cycling to try to drop a little more.

I have no doubt that you are 100% right. I harbor no illusions that my body is any different from anyone elses, and I know that I must be doing something wrong, just not quite sure what it is yet!

Sometimes it's simple belief in yourself. As stupid as that sounds. Your thoughts have a PROFOUND effect on your body, and simply having a different mindset about the whole approach may show amazing results.

 

[MDR]

not disagreeing bro, but I think if you keep the dose low enough, running Tren E will be fine. 200-250mg week is like pinnin 35mgED . . thats fk all!

I hear ya. If you are going to run Tren E on a first run, you are absolutely right-keeping the dose low until you know how your body reacts is the way to go.

 

[G3]

i have been doing hiit for a long time now, and love it, but i have only recently began carb cycling. I used a series of psmf's to get down to where i am now, but now when i try one, i seem to start stripping muscle, so i am experimenting with cycling to try to drop a little more.

I have no doubt that you are 100% right. I harbor no illusions that my body is any different from anyone elses, and i know that i must be doing something wrong, just not quite sure what it is yet!

psmf???????

 

[jmorrison]

Protein Sparing Modifed Fast by Lyle McDonald. Really great program, but I am having trouble stripping the last few pounds with it.

 

[XYZ]

I have been doing HIIT for a long time now, and love it, but I have only recently began carb cycling. I used a series of PSMF's to get down to where I am now, but now when I try one, I seem to start stripping muscle, so I am experimenting with cycling to try to drop a little more.

I have no doubt that you are 100% right. I harbor no illusions that my body is any different from anyone elses, and I know that I must be doing something wrong, just not quite sure what it is yet!

It's a lot of trial and error. It really takes time to figure it out. Good luck!