Prolactin Induced Gyno?...Feedback Please

[Runner22]

Hey Guy's - need your input on this...

I'm in my 5th week of running 500mg a wk of Cyp and 300mg a wk of Deca. I've also added 25mg of Aromasin ED and 1 mg a wk of Caber.

The issue I'm having is that my existing gyno is becoming larger and in the other nipple, where I had no gyno prior, a lump is starting to form. Also, I have no puffiness and little to no issue with sensitivity. Since I'm on a fairly low dose of Deca, I assumed that perhaps my E2 was high (very common for me in the past). However, my blood work came back today and my E2 was in range at 30pg/ml. At this point, I can only assume that its prolactin related and have a blood test scheduled tomorrow and should have results in a few days.

In the meantime, I wanted to get some feedback on the below Letro protocol and ask if Prami can be used in place of the Caber? I'm assuming that my Caber may be bunk, but I'm not going to wait for the results and feel that I need to address the advancing gyno quickly with Letro and by replacing the Caber with Prami from ResearchStop.

Letro Protocol

Day 1: .25mg Letro + 25mg Aromasin
Day 2: .50mg Letro
Day 3: 1.0mg Letro
Day 4: 1.5mg Letro
Day 5: 2.0mg Letro
Day 6: 2.5mg Letro (stay at this dose until gyno is gone + another week)
Begin Letro taper back down and add Aromasin back at on last day of taper

Thanks!

 

[Runner22]

btw...I just realized that my Letro is 2.5mg per tablet. Should be intersting trying to cut it into anything smaller than 4 pieces (.625mg). Would starting at .625 be an issue?

 

[shortnwide]

Your Caber has to be junk. Im prone to get prolactin sides on Tren and Deca. Caber always keeps it at bay. Prima will do the same thing.

Letro will break up the gyno but the prolactin will still keep building. Caber or Prima now and after your cycle is totaly done if there is still a good amount of gyno then do letro theripy. 1.25(half) to start with then go to 2.5 then taper back-all with in a a 4-6week time frame should be all thats needed-once the lumps start to subside start tapering back.

 

[Runner22]

Your Caber has to be junk. Im prone to get prolactin sides on Tren and Deca. Caber always keeps it at bay. Prima will do the same thing.

Letro will break up the gyno but the prolactin will still keep building. Caber or Prima now and after your cycle is totaly done if there is still a good amount of gyno then do letro theripy. 1.25(half) to start with then go to 2.5 then taper back-all with in a a 4-6week time frame should be all thats needed-once the lumps start to subside start tapering back.

So you're suggesting that I hold off on the letro until after my cycle and for now, just get some new caber or prami? I should have noted that I had planned to run the new caber or prami alongside the letro. Not a good idea?

 

[TJTJ]

aromasin and nolva 40? PRL It produced by The hypothalamus and secreteded by the Adenohypophysis portion of the pituitary gland.

 

[XYZ]

I don't get it if the E2 is in range why are you using letro?

Parmipexole is MUCH stronger than caber for gyno issues. I would start at .10mg ED and then increase the dose by .10 every 3-5 days. Once you're up to 1mg ED split the dose in two 1/2 in the AM and 1/2 in the PM.

You have to be careful with parmipexole, do NOT strat any higher than the recommendation I gave you and increase the dose VERY slowly. I would start it on a Friday night as it may cause you insomnia at first and may knock you right out if taken during the day. If you start low and let your body get used to it you shouldn't have many sides.

 

[Runner22]

I don't get it if the E2 is in range why are you using letro?

Parmipexole is MUCH stronger than caber for gyno issues. I would start at .10mg ED and then increase the dose by .10 every 3-5 days. Once you're up to 1mg ED split the dose in two 1/2 in the AM and 1/2 in the PM.

You have to be careful with parmipexole, do NOT strat any higher than the recommendation I gave you and increase the dose VERY slowly. I would start it on a Friday night as it may cause you insomnia at first and may knock you right out if taken during the day. If you start low and let your body get used to it you shouldn't have many sides.

I had the impression that Letro was the protocol of choice to reduce the advancement of pre-existing or new gyno related symptoms. If it???s no more effective than my current AI (Aromasin), then I???ll just keep using it and follow your exact guidelines for the Prami.

BTW???I had my Prolactin blood work this am and should have the results in a few days.

Thanks for the advice!

 

[XYZ]

Letro will not work on progestin gyno. Parmipexole will.

Your blood work will tell a lot, but if the pre-existing gyno is from E2 then you will need the letro as well.

 

[Runner22]

Letro will not work on progestin gyno. Parmipexole will.

Your blood work will tell a lot, but if the pre-existing gyno is from E2 then you will need the letro as well.

Thanks ??? point taken and understood. That???s why I???m asking. I suppose I need to get my prolaction blood work results before deciding on a gyno reduction strategy.

 

[XYZ]

Exactly.

Still, if it were pre-existing I don't know that your labs would show high levels of progestin or e2.

 

[Runner22]

One more question...If turns out this is prolactin related and I use liquid Prami, how does mgs convert to mls? I have a 1ml dropper or 3ml syringe for measuring.

 

[bigbenj]

it usually says something like 1mg per ml. so if you want to start at .10mg, thats .10ml, basically a small drop. you want .5mg, then do half a ml. its just basic math.

 

[bigbenj]

I don't get it if the E2 is in range why are you using letro?

Parmipexole is MUCH stronger than caber for gyno issues. I would start at .10mg ED and then increase the dose by .10 every 3-5 days. Once you're up to 1mg ED split the dose in two 1/2 in the AM and 1/2 in the PM.

You have to be careful with parmipexole, do NOT strat any higher than the recommendation I gave you and increase the dose VERY slowly. I would start it on a Friday night as it may cause you insomnia at first and may knock you right out if taken during the day. If you start low and let your body get used to it you shouldn't have many sides.

...and DEFINITELY listen to this. I took 1ml(stupidly) my first time and it knocked me on my ass for a day and half.

 

[Runner22]

it usually says something like 1mg per ml. so if you want to start at .10mg, thats .10ml, basically a small drop. you want .5mg, then do half a ml. its just basic math.

Thanks - I just realized that its 1mg/ml as well and yes, I'm definately going to follow the advice on the dosing.

 

[Deity]

...and DEFINITELY listen to this. I took 1ml(stupidly) my first time and it knocked me on my ass for a day and half.

Guilty of this aswell. Prami will turn your world upside down if you do not work up.

 

[Runner22]

Well, guy's...I stumped. My prolactin results are in and I'm definately in range (8ng/ml) (Range is 4-15.2ng/ml). Seems like my caber is working just fine along with my Aromasin. Perhaps one or both of these compunds need a few weeks to reach the appropriate blood levels and maybe prior to my E2 test in week 5 and this Prolactin test a few days later, one of them may have spiked without my knowing.

OK...so what do I do now? My existing gyno on the left side has for sure progressed in the last 2-3 weeks and now, I have new gyno forming on the right side. Is there anything I can do mid-cycle other than what I'm currently doing to stop and or reduce the progression?

 

[XYZ]

I would start dosing the pramipexole as previously explained. If after 3-4 weeks if you don't notice a change, it must be estrogen related. If it is then I would start the letro.

Either way, it's going to be a process.

 

[Runner22]

I would start dosing the pramipexole as previously explained. If after 3-4 weeks if you don't notice a change, it must be estrogen related. If it is then I would start the letro.

Either way, it's going to be a process.

Yeah, it sounds like it...I think I'm going to drop the Deca and keep it simple. Sometimes you learn the hard way that certains things are not worth it. I'm planning to get labs in about a week to make sure I'm still in range and make adjustment then if need be. At least if I'm still having issues in a few weeks, there's only one culprit.

Thanks again for your assistance!