Mudge, I know that you think that I am using too much but that isn't necessarily true that the gyno doesn't show unless you use too much. some people have a problem with the gyno on hella low doses of low androgenic shit, and some can pop Anadrol all day and never see anything. It all depends on if the person if prone to it or not. I am prone to it apparently so that is why I am on the anti Es. The only reason I ask is b/c I still have a bag of Anadrol and D-bol that I stopped taking when I started to have some sensitivity in my chest. Now that I am taking liquidex and it seems to have haulted the side effects I was just wondering if it was even worth it to take the orals or not. I probably won't worry about taking them though, no big deal.