real question

[heckler7]

anyone who works with metal will agree its just as much an art as a skill to make clean line or welds by hand or perfect clean rivets. so often I here people say when working on older aircraft " they dont make shit like this anymore". quality, long lasting and perfection in some of the classics it truely is amazing to look at what was done by hand. but recently I had this thought. this shit was done in the 50s the whole women in the workforce rosie the riveter age.
so with that here is my question.
do you think the quality of product was from women in the workforce, or is it the lack of quality due to the rise in machinery perfoming this repetitive tasks, or jobs being shipped overseas to countries that dont have the same living standards and pay

 

[SheriV]

It's possible....when I was a lot younger I was hired to be trained as head painter (an old autobody guy talked me out of the trade for my health) ... the shop that hired me for what was considered a relatively prestigious blue collar position was very interested in studies that showed women see and perceive color and surface variation better than men.
I metal sculpt ( or did when I still had a welder)...the guy that taught me to weld was blown away by how fast and accurately I picked it up...my oldest daughter is similarly inclined

 

[SheriV]

I meant to preamble that with women in the workforce...


I don't know though...good automation is flawless... with auto parts I despise anything Chinese made because they're ultra lazy in duplicating parts for aftermarket sale
I don't have many problems with Mexican parts...German parts are usually flawless..
Mexican materials however is another story...absolute junk

 

[SheriV]

To expand on what I mean for Chinese being lazy....they take measurements as a "lay over" of the original part...which results in the aftermarket part either being slightly larger or smaller....which can really ruin the fit

 

[heckler7]

I meant to preamble that with women in the workforce...


I don't know though...good automation is flawless... with auto parts I despise anything Chinese made because they're ultra lazy in duplicating parts for aftermarket sale
I don't have many problems with Mexican parts...German parts are usually flawless..
Mexican materials however is another story...absolute junk

before the EPA USA steel was the best made but the byproduct is harmful. But I see shit like beautiful clean flush rivets and we always say look at this as we remove and replace it with some machine pressed and tack jointed garbage that wont last. I can recognize a lot of talent that women can bring but to job, but to brutily honest out of 30 years aviation I onely worked with one woman who truely impressed me, she was a helicopter mechanic that came from the army as an apache mech and she was amazing and had all the best qualities that make you respect someone, patience able to think quick on her feet just someone reliable you can respect. others were better at shit that didnt require holding a wrench, like inspection, paperwork, ops checks interpreting manuals, radio communication. anything that didnt require physical exertion

 

[heckler7]

To expand on what I mean for Chinese being lazy....they take measurements as a "lay over" of the original part...which results in the aftermarket part either being slightly larger or smaller....which can really ruin the fit

nothing is worse than part from england all their shit needs to be lined up filed drilled fitted way over engineered

 

[independent]

Women belong in the kitchen and laundry room. Go fetch me a beer sheri.

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[SheriV]

yes sir! stout or ale?

 

[SheriV]

before the EPA USA steel was the best made but the byproduct is harmful. But I see shit like beautiful clean flush rivets and we always say look at this as we remove and replace it with some machine pressed and tack jointed garbage that wont last. I can recognize a lot of talent that women can bring but to job, but to brutily honest out of 30 years aviation I onely worked with one woman who truely impressed me, she was a helicopter mechanic that came from the army as an apache mech and she was amazing and had all the best qualities that make you respect someone, patience able to think quick on her feet just someone reliable you can respect. others were better at shit that didnt require holding a wrench, like inspection, paperwork, ops checks interpreting manuals, radio communication. anything that didnt require physical exertion

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I would agree with that ..and I won't go on a weird tangent about gender studies but girls are consistently pushed away from trades and thus grow up to be uncomfortable with them
as an only child (I have a half sister I didnt meet until I was 29, and two step brothers that didnt show up until I was 18)
my dad treated me as a son surrogate in a lot of ways and I gravitated to tomboy activities and a lot of male friends and colleagues over the years saw I had spacial aptitude and a fast mind (turns out the fast mind is a neurological disorder but whatever) so I was taught a LOT of practical knowledge most of my life - I am however like most women of my generation very weak in fundamental math- the reason? even female teachers are ingrained that girls aren't as good at the sciences and math and boys arent as good at languages and the arts

among my male and female friends that don't have higher education- almost all of the women suck at math and almost all of the men suck at literature
you can have a decently technical and well paid job and suck at lit- you can't if you suck at math




and yeah...english made everything (except maybe motorcycles) just suck

 

[independent]

yes sir! stout or ale?

Ipa plz. Gych.

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