Second cycle, please advise

[KelJu]

My first cycle was a complete disaster. Because I had read of the side effects, but I didn???t really understand how intense they would be. This time I have educated myself, and I have the proper tools to deal with anything that may pop up.

I was considering Tren and Enanthate. I already have the PCT, and I have prepared for the anxiety, BP issues, and possible sleep problems with high power medications.

This would be my second cycle runt:

Week 1: 500mg Enanthate, 300mg Tren Acetate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 200mg
Week 2: 500mg Enanthate, 300mg Tren Acetate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 200mg
Week 3: 500mg Enanthate, 300mg Tren Acetate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 200mg
Week 4: 500mg Enanthate, 300mg Tren Acetate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 200mg
Week 5: 500mg Enanthate, 300mg Tren Acetate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 200mg
Week 6: 500mg Enanthate, 300mg Tren Acetate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 200mg
Week 7: 500mg Enanthate, 300mg Tren Acetate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 200mg
Week 8: 500mg Enanthate, 300mg Tren Acetate
NAC 1 tab , Milk thistle 200mg
PCT- Nolva 50mg, HCG 500iu
Week 9: 500mg Enanthate, 300mg Tren Acetate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 200mg
PCT- Nolva 50mg, HCG 500iu
Week10: 500mg Enanthate, 300mg Tren Acetate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 200mg
PCT- Nolva 50mg, HCG 500iu
Week 11: NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 200mg
PCT- Nolva 50mg, HCG 500iu
Week 12: NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 200mg
PCT- Nolva 50mg, HCG 500iu
Week 13: NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 200mg
PCT- Nolva 50mg, HCG 500iu
Week 14: PCT- Nolva 50mg
Week 15: PCT- Nolva 50mg

 

[Pirate!]

Bad idea, IMO. Tren E is no joke, and not a good choice for a second cycle, especially if the first one went bad. Medications have their own cons and do little to mitigate stresses such as high blood pressure or anxiety effectively. It's like covering up a wound so you don't have to look at it.

What was your first cycle?

How about Test and an oral? Tbol or Var, maybe. If you are anxiety prone, stay away from tren, period. It's not worth the stress.

Milk Thistle should be ~ 1 gram/day

 

[KelJu]

I'll take your advice and save that cycle for a later day.

My first cycle was the one I am about to post. The only difference is this time I have the PCT and side effects covered...I think.

How does this one sound?

Week 1: 500mg Enanthate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 1000mg
Week 2: 500mg Enanthate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 1000mg
Week 3: 500mg Enanthate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 1000mg
Week 4: 500mg Enanthate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 1000mg
Week 5: 500mg Enanthate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 1000mg
Week 6: 200mg Propionate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 1000mg
Week 7: 200mg Propionate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 1000mg
Week 8: 200mg Propionate
NAC 1 tab , Milk thistle 1000mg
PCT- Nolva 50mg, HCG 500iu
Week 9: 200mg Propionate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 1000mg
PCT- Nolva 50mg, HCG 500iu
Week10: 200mg Propionate
NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 1000mg
PCT- Nolva 50mg, HCG 500iu
Week 11: NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 1000mg
PCT- Nolva 50mg, HCG 500iu
Week 12: NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 1000mg
PCT- Nolva 50mg
Week 13: NAC 1 tab, Milk thistle 1000mg
PCT- Nolva 50mg
Week 14: PCT- Nolva 50mg
Week 15: PCT- Nolva 50mg[/QUOTE]

 

[Cardinal]

That is not how I would set up the cycle. If you want to use test prop and test enanthate together in a cycle, do as follows:

Weeks 1-3: Test Propionate (~350-500 mg each week)
Weeks 1-12: Test Enanthate 500 mg each week
Weeks 14-17: Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

You can also inject prop during weeks 13-14 to keep blood levels of testosterone high. Then start nolvadex about 4.5 days after your last shot of test prop.

I am not convinced hcg is needed with this cycle, but if you would like to use it, try something like swale's protocol using 250iu, twice per weeks starting around week 3 or so. You can take milk thistle and NAC the whole time if you want but liver values are not under huge duress with just test.

Which blood pressure medication are you planning on using and what other ancillaries?

 

[Pirate!]

Agreed with Cardinal on all the above.

 

[KelJu]

That is not how I would set up the cycle. If you want to use test prop and test enanthate together in a cycle, do as follows:

Weeks 1-3: Test Propionate (~350-500 mg each week)
Weeks 1-12: Test Enanthate 500 mg each week
Weeks 14-17: Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

You can also inject prop during weeks 13-14 to keep blood levels of testosterone high. Then start nolvadex about 4.5 days after your last shot of test prop.

I am not convinced hcg is needed with this cycle, but if you would like to use it, try something like swale's protocol using 250iu, twice per weeks starting around week 3 or so. You can take milk thistle and NAC the whole time if you want but liver values are not under huge duress with just test.

Which blood pressure medication are you planning on using and what other ancillaries?

Whoops, leaving the HCG was an accident. I would nto run that unless I ran the tren.

I want a harder look for the summer, and last time I was on Enanthate, I swole up like a pregnant lady. I was retaining water heavily, which was great for gains, but I want to look leaner. I am on a cut now that is slow but I am making progress.

Would it be better for me to run the Enanthate weeks 1-10, and start the prop on week 3 and continue it into week 13?

Thanks guys for the info, by the way.

 

[ZECH]

Would it be better for me to run the Enanthate weeks 1-10, and start the prop on week 3 and continue it into week 13?

Don't run both test concurrently.
If you don't mind the shots, just run the prop.

 

[BigDyl]

No need to run all those crazy support supps when you can just buy cycle support.

 

[BigDyl]

Oh, and don't run tren for your second cycle.


Tren will kill your bp.

 

[msauce]

Sorry for hi-jacking your thread KelJu. Also, I know this thread is almost 3 years old but I happened upon it and it applies to me a lot.

I ran my first cycle of test enanthate just this spring for 10 weeks.
The gains were more than I expect and I gained around 15-17 pounds.
When I was on cycle I had a very good diet and workout plan.

I was hit with some gyno symptoms, so I just started my nolva and it fixed the problem right up.

Before the cycle I was about 150 at 5'11" with 11% bf. I came out of the cycle at roughly 165 with 10% bf.

I'm ready for my second cycle and I'm pretty sure I've decided on test cypionate(250 mg) and tren acetate(75 mg).

My cycle is going to look something like this:

Week 1-10:500 mg Test Cyp
Week 4-10:225 mg Tren Ace
Week 12-16: Nolva 60/40/20/20

Can someone tell me other things I should know about this cycle? Thanks a lot guys!